Originally posted by RedmikeI'm afraid that it is you who live in a time warp since you appear to believe that socialism (or communism} can be made to operate successfully to rid the world of all its woes despite the fact that it has already failed miserably everytime and everywhere it has been tried out,
You really do live in some kind of time warp.
Yes, the blessed Margaret (may she die in pain) saved us all from the scary communists (who were also anarchists in their spare time).
Its like a Monty Python take on Modern History.
There's one good thing about your brand however; it would not affect us in England except that we should very likely be called upon to bail Scotland out, as an act of charity, when your lot had wrecked the Scottish economy.
Originally posted by NargagunaYou forgot the convenient excuse which is used when you point out that communism has failed around the world: "But that wasn't real communism".
I'm afraid that it is you who live in a time warp since you appear to believe that socialism (or communism} can be made to operate successfully to rid the world of all its woes despite the fact that it has already failed miserably everytime and everywhere it has been tried out,
There's one good thing about your brand however; it would not affect us in E ...[text shortened]... n to bail Scotland out, as an act of charity, when your lot had wrecked the Scottish economy.
Originally posted by VargYes, thank you for pointing this out. Just like the thick Labour supporters ,'old' and 'new', who blame each other for not having applied 'real socialism'.
You forgot the convenient excuse which is used when you point out that communism has failed around the world: "But that wasn't [b]real communism".[/b]
Now we have our resident Scotch Socialist, Redmike, claiming to have found the Holy Grail at last. At least if he and his mates ever succeeded in conning the Scotch voters we in England would not have to suffer directly, although I am sure we should be called upon to bail them out when the SSP succeeded in wrecking the Scottish economy.
Communism, almost by definition, cannot exist in a single country. For this reason alone, communism hasn't been tried anywhere.
Sure, there have been communist parties in control of various countries. Just because you have a party in power which calls itself a communist party doesn't mean you are operating a communist economy.
There are all sorts of reasons why other countries, such as the USSR, didn't get far down the road to communism, but their idea that you could impose communism by conquest wasn't ever going to work.
If, by some chance, the SSP was to win a majority at next year's Scottish Parliamentary elections (I don't think we're standing in enough seats, but never mind, it is hypothetical), that wouldn't somehow make Scotland a communist/socialist country overnight. It would just mean we had a government which was committed to getting us there.
Originally posted by RedmikeI'd rather trust the SNP to make a success of getting Scotland off England's back.
Communism, almost by definition, cannot exist in a single country. For this reason alone, communism hasn't been tried anywhere.
Sure, there have been communist parties in control of various countries. Just because you have a party in power which calls itself a communist party doesn't mean you are operating a communist economy.
There are all sorts of re ...[text shortened]... ernight. It would just mean we had a government which was committed to getting us there.
Any surprises?
Big losses for Labour, mostly to the Tories.
Lib Dems about the same.
BNP doubled their seats to 44.
Not all the results are in - none of the ones in West Yorkshire, where I live, are.
I suspect my ward will be all Tory, as usual, but I think Green ran them pretty close last time.
Should be interesting.
Originally posted by VargAnd Respect got at least 12, including 11 in Tower Hamlets.
Any surprises?
Big losses for Labour, mostly to the Tories.
Lib Dems about the same.
BNP doubled their seats to 44.
Not all the results are in - none of the ones in West Yorkshire, where I live, are.
I suspect my ward will be all Tory, as usual, but I think Green ran them pretty close last time.
Should be interesting.
As well as a gain for the Socialist Alternative in Coventry - 3 socialist councillors there now.
Originally posted by RedmikeIs Dave Nellist still around in Coventry?
And Respect got at least 12, including 11 in Tower Hamlets.
As well as a gain for the Socialist Alternative in Coventry - 3 socialist councillors there now.
I used to live there in the early 90's and there was "Dave Nellist Working Class Hero" sprayed on quite a few walls.
Originally posted by VargYes, Dave Nellist is still there - he is one of the 3 councillors.
Is Dave Nellist still around in Coventry?
I used to live there in the early 90's and there was "Dave Nellist Working Class Hero" sprayed on quite a few walls.
It is a shame that Respect and the other left groups can't get their acts together.