Was Bush a socialist?

Originally posted by joe beyser
Yet if Bush was a socialist, he would use all those things to incrementally set up a world wide socialist goverment.

Sure he would.
And alien teenagers drive billions of light years to abduct cows in Alabama...

Originally posted by shavixmir
Sure he would.
And alien teenagers drive billions of light years to abduct cows in Alabama...

Do you actually believe in Aliens? You are a goof.

Originally posted by no1marauder
I don't know how many times I have to point this out to you, but I didn't vote for Obama. I'm not the partisan shill you are - I don't recall you making a single post before last autumn complaining about Bush's "spendthrift ways".

If you don't mind my asking and don't mind answering, which candidate did you vote for?

Originally posted by joe beyser
Do you actually believe in Aliens? You are a goof.

Do you actually believe Bush was a socialist. You are a goof.

Originally posted by no1marauder
I don't know how many times I have to point this out to you, but I didn't vote for Obama. I'm not the partisan shill you are - I don't recall you making a single post before last autumn complaining about Bush's "spendthrift ways".

Bush and the Republicans coupled massive increases in spending for war and other useless endeavors with giganti nimum. So much for the deficit.

Whine about those proposals, shill.

Now you see we are getting somewhere!! If I were a partisan shill, would I be posting this about "W" and the entire Republican Congress? I don't deny the fact that I voted for him and I am sorry for doing so. If I were a partisan shill, I would continue to defend him despite himself. To be honest, I was not following that closly and that was my bad, but no more. From now on whodey will be watching their every move no matter the party they claim to be affiliated. I often wonder about Obamamites as to whether or not they are in the same state of mind I was when "W" was in office. All I can say is, it is time to wake up and throw both of these bums to the curb as well as their Congressional cronies. The only troubling problem then becomes, to what party do we turn? From all indications, both parties do the EXACT same things!! NOw if I were a partisan shill, I would rally people to vote Republican next election, but I'm not going to do that.

As for how you would handle tackling the deficit, I would agree that cuts need to be made in the military sector, however, I disagree that a universal health care system is the route to go. In fact, every entitlement out their such as this costs us more money than we ever anticipate and is bleeding us dry. If nothing else, we should wait unitl we recover economically to tackle a universal system. In addition, I would agree we need to raise taxes in order to cover our spending habits. However, no politician is electable who will do this so all they end up doing is going farther into debt. The problem with this, however, is that it dampens the economy which is the engine that helps us pay off the debt so we MUST be smart in how we raise taxes. By all accounts money grabs such as cap and trade are no way to go about this.

I would agree that the tarp money helped keep the economy afloat. As to whether tarp was preferable to letting it all fail, I guess the jury is still out. However, the whole stimulus money was a total waste and the projected job benefits are and will continue to be woefully lacking. Do you disagree or do you predict the opposite? What troubles me is that he is talking of yet another stimulus package.

Originally posted by shavixmir
Do you actually believe Bush was a socialist. You are a goof.

What ever you say there "guppy poo"

Originally posted by shavixmir
Bollocks.
Utter bollocks.

If Bush was a communist... he wouldn't be a creationist.
If Bush was a communist... he wouldn't have attacked Iraq or Afghanistan
If Bush was a communist... he would not have created Gotanamo bay (or however the hell it's spelled).

If Bush was a communist, he'd have delivered power to the workers, nationalised health care, water, electricity and oil and he would have learned how to pronounce nuclear.

If Bush were a communist he would not be a creationist? What are you talking about? What does being a creationist have to do with being a communist?

If Bush were not a communist he would not have invaded other countries and created club Gitmo? What are you talking about? Last I checked the USSR tried to invade Afghanistan and would have saved money with club Gitmo and simply sent them to Sibera. Good greif man!! 🙄

Originally posted by whodey
If Bush were a communist he would not be a creationist? What are you talking about? What does being a creationist have to do with being a communist?

If Bush were not a communist he would not have invaded other countries and created club Gitmo? What are you talking about? Last I checked the USSR tried to invade Afghanistan and would have saved money with club Gitmo and simply sent them to Sibera. Good greif man!! 🙄

So you didn't read my article, did you.
The USSR wasn't communist.

Originally posted by shavixmir
So you didn't read my article, did you.
The USSR wasn't communist.

Just like Obama and "W" were not socialists. LOL.

It just strikes me odd that you don't question whether "W" and Obama are capitalists. Do you really think they are "true" capitalists just like the USSR were not "true" socialists? My only contention is that Obama and comapny are leaning towards socialism. Whehter or not they fit your perfect definition of socialism is beside the point.

But then again, we both know in our guts that communism/socialism is a righteous path to take so it would then be impossible for anyone who is deemed unrighteous to have actually attempted to take these economic paths successfully.

This is what I hear you saying.

Originally posted by sh76
If you don't mind my asking and don't mind answering, which candidate did you vote for?

For the fourth election in a row, I voted for the Green Party ticket. I didn't agree with every thing in their platform, but on the issues I think are most important in particular overseas military adventurism, they are most representative of my views.

Originally posted by whodey
Now you see we are getting somewhere!! If I were a partisan shill, would I be posting this about "W" and the entire Republican Congress? I don't deny the fact that I voted for him and I am sorry for doing so. If I were a partisan shill, I would continue to defend him despite himself. To be honest, I was not following that closly and that was my bad, but n ...[text shortened]... ict the opposite? What troubles me is that he is talking of yet another stimulus package.

It ridiculous to call the stimulus package a "waste" after a couple of months; the economy doesn't work instantaneously. The present health care system is enormously costly and inefficient - we're paying for this mess even if it isn't in taxes (and a lot of it is). I don't think any "entitlement" program is a waste of money; maybe you wouldn't care if old people had no income and starved to death but for me that's uncivilized and contrary to human nature. The US is taxed at lower rates than other countries and some income is hardly taxed at all. Efficiently spending our tax dollars would lead to a better society and making sure the impact of the tax system is truly progressive would lead to a more equitable one.

Originally posted by whodey
Here is a good article on whether or not Bush was a socialist.

http:www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/article570387.ece

Here is some of the article.

"A few years back, your correspondent noticed something a little odd about George W Bush's conservatism. If you take Margaret Thatcher's dictum that a socialist is someone who is very good at spending some ...[text shortened]... me in 2010/2012 to their democrat counterparts. Of course, who then do we turn to?

To call Bush a socialist, to even suggest the chimp lean toward socialism, is a serious insult to
all socialists world over. Unless it was Sullivan's distinct intention to be disrespectful, I would suggest
he puts a little effort thinking his statements through more thoroughly in the future. He simply can't
fit the square peg in the round hole without distorting the physical reality of the peg and/or hole.

So, is the idea here that socialist mentality is all about spending other people's assets and/or
without creating any revenue return for the people? Talk about missing the bus by a mile. Next thing
you know, Bushy-boy is a commie whose sole purpose it was to set everything up for the commie
storm to come. LOL! No doubt, having such a feeble understanding of basic socialist economy, he
fears having to learn Cuban Spanish a couple of years from now.

RHP Debates! Because you need a good laugh every once in a while.

Originally posted by no1marauder
It ridiculous to call the stimulus package a "waste" after a couple of months; the economy doesn't work instantaneously. The present health care system is enormously costly and inefficient - we're paying for this mess even if it isn't in taxes (and a lot of it is). I don't think any "entitlement" program is a waste of money; maybe you wouldn't care if ol the impact of the tax system is truly progressive would lead to a more equitable one.

The issue is not really about helping people. The issue is about fiscal responsibility. For example, people give money to charitable organizations accoridng to how they are able. However, would you expect someone to take out a loan to do so? Would you expect them to give if they can barely afford their living expenses or food expenses or maybe not meeting their own needs at all? That is the issue at hand. The government is broke and all indications is gettring far worse. But instead of adddressing this massive mounting debt, they spend more money and wish to throw even more entitlement programs in the mix. I say they get their house in order before tackling anything else. For example, why not reform social security before moving on the health care? From what I hear, it will go bust soon aroud the year 2030. I suppose you could argue that univiersal health care is a way to reform the current socialized medicine of medicare/medicaid that is scheduled to go bust in 2017, however, that is not the sense I get. The way I see it, they simply want to expand this entitlement even though it may save a few dollars short term, it will cost us far more long term.

Originally posted by Jigtie
To call Bush a socialist, to even suggest the chimp lean toward socialism, is a serious insult to
all socialists world over. Unless it was Sullivan's distinct intention to be disrespectful, I would suggest
he puts a little effort thinking his statements through more thoroughly in the future. He simply can't
fit the square peg in the round hole without d f years from now.

RHP Debates! Because you need a good laugh every once in a while.

Why not discuss the information I have provided instead of simply deriding my comments on the basis that you hate "W", along with the rest of the world, but like socialism. Therefore, "W" could not have any socialist inclinations? I have provided ample information that that is the direction he was leaning even though he may not be labeled a "true socialist".

Originally posted by whodey
Why not discuss the information I have provided instead of simply deriding my comments on the basis that you hate "W", along with the rest of the world, but like socialism. Therefore, "W" could not have any socialist inclinations? I have provided ample information that that is the direction he was leaning even though he may not be labeled a "true socialist".

Only because your definition of "socialism" is delusional.