08 Jul 09
Originally posted by whodeyYou just don't know what you're talking about, do you? Please stop. It's just embarrassing now.
Spending more IS in a socialist direction and especially if all our income is going to cover the interest on a massive debt (?) so as not to go bankrupt.
08 Jul 09
Originally posted by whodeyI don't think it's human nature to seek power and control over others. I think it's taught behaviour
In your mind their are "true capitalists" that have failed but not "true communists". In your mind "true communism" has never succeeded because it has never been tried but I contend it is simply unattainable because it fly's in the face of human nature. This is because mankind cannot help but to seek power and secure power and then seek even more power. We see this time and time and time again no matter the form of government.
from the earliest years of childhood and it comes out of the fear of being left behind. You hardly
ever see that behaviour in people whom has food to eat, a safe place to sleep and whom lives in a
friendly environment to which they feel a connection, and secure in the belief that things won't
change so easily. Greed is a provoked, sick behaviour. Kinda like how nervous people tend to chew
away at their fingertips. It's not human nature to do that. It's the result of living in a stressful,
hostile and unhealthy environment for too long. Our natural behaviour tends to be more along the
lines of forming groups where we work together to solve any problems that arise without asking for
anything more than what the other group members have (commonly food, a place to sleep and the
protection of the group in times of danger). But the connection and the sense of belonging is
perhaps the most important to us. If we don't feel that we're part of the group we tend to adopt
behaviour that is far from our natural behaviour, such as wanting to sabotage or complicate everyday
lives for the rest of the group.
The way I see it.
08 Jul 09
Originally posted by JigtieWith the national debt doubling and quadrupling now every 4 years, how long before the interest of that debt consumes us? Even Obama says the rate of debt is unsustainable. I guess we just trust him to say enough is enough, eh?
You just don't know what you're talking about, do you? Please stop. It's just embarrassing now.
08 Jul 09
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Originally posted by JigtieYou could argue that we have all been provoked to be greedy. For example, have you ever been denied anything you want or need? Of course you have and so has everyone else, so there you go. It is your excuse to be "greedy" and/or power hungry. I would agree that ones upbringing does in large part play a role in how diabolical and murderous dictators come to power such as Stalin and Hitler etc. From what I have read, they typically come from homes in which their fathers are abusive and/or distant. However, how do you explain the power hungry group we now have in Washington? Granted, they have not begun to round people up and throw them into extermination camps, but they are all power hungry and greedy nontheless. In fact, it reminds me of the nomination of the Vice President Joe Biden. Helicopters flew to his "compound" once the news had been delivered. This compound had like 5 mansions on it with one for his mother-in-law and one for his uncle jake etc. In fact, the average politician seems to own 5 to 6 mansions and God knows what all else. Then to top it all off, they tell us that we should "cut back" on things like air travel and car travel and live in smaller homes and even question how much CEO's make. Meanwhile we have the likes of Obama that flies to Chicago for his wifes birthday which I heard burns as much fuel as someone who drives their SUV for a whole year!! The kicker is that these people are called public servants. LOL.
I don't think it's human nature to seek power and control over others. I think it's taught behaviour
from the earliest years of childhood and it comes out of the fear of being left behind. You hardly
ever see that behaviour in people whom has food to eat, a safe place to sleep and whom lives in a
friendly environment to which they feel a connection, and sabotage or complicate everyday
lives for the rest of the group.
The way I see it.
In short, if you want to be filthy rich, and I do mean filthy, become a member of the federal government. From what I hear, you don't even have to pay your taxes....that is so long as Obama does not appoint you to a cabinet position and people then begin to investigate you. It is a life full of unaccountabilty and to top it all off, you get to tell other people how to live. And then when people complain or become enraged you just smile and say, you elected me didn't you?
08 Jul 09
Originally posted by whodeyOf course you are right. Jitgie attacks you followed by his useless psycho babble. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. It doesn't matter what kind of childhood one had. The Rockefellers and Rothchilds must not have had enough ice cream cones or something as kids then. Socialism will run out of other peoples money eventually. Socialism does not give incentive to be a productive citezen and taxes hell out of those that are. Naturally it is not sustainable.
With the national debt doubling and quadrupling now every 4 years, how long before the interest of that debt consumes us? Even Obama says the rate of debt is unsustainable. I guess we just trust him to say enough is enough, eh?
08 Jul 09
Originally posted by joe beyserFor many I think Socialism/communism means spreading the wealth among the masses. However, for me it is simply lowering everyone to the same level while you maintain an elitist oligarcal group who reigns over them. In fact, as the distribution continues that ruling class seems to get smaller and smaller until just a hand full of people are making all our decisions on everything. Just look at how the federal government has centralized power in the last decade.
Of course you are right. Jitgie attacks you followed by his useless psycho babble. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. It doesn't matter what kind of childhood one had. The Rockefellers and Rothchilds must not have had enough ice cream cones or something as kids then. Socialism will run out of other peoples money eventually. Socialism does not give incent ...[text shortened]... be a productive citezen and taxes hell out of those that are. Naturally it is not sustainable.
08 Jul 09
Originally posted by whodeyDon't you see? What you're talking about has absolutely nothing to do with socialism specifically.
With the national debt doubling and quadrupling now every 4 years, how long before the interest of that debt consumes us? Even Obama says the rate of debt is unsustainable. I guess we just trust him to say enough is enough, eh?
08 Jul 09
Originally posted by whodeyOh! Well, excuse me. This is the: "make up our own arbitrary definitions"-thread. Had I known, I never
For many I think Socialism/communism means spreading the wealth among the masses. However, for me it is simply lowering everyone to the same level while you maintain an elitist oligarcal group who reigns over them.
would have participated. Sorry, 'bout that. Carry on now.
08 Jul 09
Originally posted by whodeySee, the problem I have with your reasoning is that you take as example people who live under very
You could argue that we have all been provoked to be greedy. For example, have you ever been denied anything you want or need? Of course you have and so has everyone else, so there you go. It is your excuse to be "greedy" and/or power hungry. I would agree that ones upbringing does in large part play a role in how diabolical and murderous dictators come t ...[text shortened]... en people complain or become enraged you just smile and say, you elected me didn't you?
unnatural, stressed out and competitive conditions. You're saying this is human nature to be greedy,
whereas most people who live in relaxed, natural environments show little signs of being greedy in that
sense. Only people who live in cramped environments with lots of intergroup rivalry behave that way.
Such environments are unnatural for humans, thus, it's human unnature to be greedy and powerhungry.
08 Jul 09
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Originally posted by joe beyserAnother common misconception about socialism. In fact, it could be argued that socialism au contraire
Socialism will run out of other peoples money eventually. Socialism does not give incentive to be a productive citezen and taxes hell out of those that are. Naturally it is not sustainable.
promotes productivity, cooperation and especially resourcefulness. But to understand that, you'd have
to first understand what socialism is all about.
08 Jul 09
Originally posted by JigtieThen, by all means, enlighten me. Please explain to me how socialism encourages productivity.
Another common misconception about socialism. In fact, it could be argued that socialism au contraire
promotes productivity, cooperation and especially resourcefulness. But to understand that, you'd have
to first understand what socialism is all about.
08 Jul 09
Originally posted by sh76The work is divided among more people (less work hours per person, more efficient work hours per
Then, by all means, enlighten me. Please explain to me how socialism encourages productivity.
person), you work in the knowledge that the taxes you pay will serve you and the people you leave
behind in the end (a great incentive to do your very best) and you work in collective cooperation (which
is really the best kind of work - the kind you want to get up in the morning for). If those things doesn't
promote productivity in the worker, I don't know what does.
08 Jul 09
Originally posted by sh76The most socialist countries in the world (by a reasonable definition) are very productive. Just to give you one factor that contributes: socialism strives for equality of opportunity, so everyone can go to school. This increases the productivity of the labour force and allows greater specialization within the workforce.
Then, by all means, enlighten me. Please explain to me how socialism encourages productivity.
08 Jul 09
Originally posted by KazetNagorraTrue. In short, socialism is about removing class differences so that no specific elite (rich or otherwise
socialism strives for equality of opportunity, so everyone can go to school. This increases the productivity of the labour force...
privileged) can control the rest. It is therefore the exact opposite of what some people suggest, which
is why some posts in here are so laughable.