What is wrong with America

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Didn't you correct me when I referred to driving a motorcycle? Let he who is without sin etc., grammar Nazi.

Lighten up guy, drive all the motorcycles you like.

Originally posted by FMF
Militaries all around the world have to be on guard against traitors in their ranks. I suppose the U.S. military is no different.

You must refuse an unlawful order and you must accept the consequences of doing so. That is a soldier's responsibility. Treason and murder are not rights or responsibilities. They are crimes that gallows are built to answer.

Originally posted by Eladar
The men who died for this country wouldn't know it today. The further and further we stray from the Constitution, the further this country strays from what people died for.

The men who died in World War II did so at the high watermark of the New Deal. Some of them are probably turning in their graves to see how the hopes and institutions of that era have been dismantled. And if they thought they were waging war to end fascism, some of them might think that Guantanamo Bay is a bit too close for comfort.

Originally posted by Eladar
Yes, but once again that is not the government in charge. It is the nation that is ruled by the Constition. Once the government is no longer run by the rule of law (the Constitution), the government no longer governs the country that I've sworn allegiance to.

Of course this is all in principle. The government would have to make several more moves to th ning such a movement against the government. I'm just saying that there is a breaking point.

But right now, despite the wide differences of opinion among voters and their representatives about what the government's policies should be, the government is being run in accordance with the Constitution. So we don't need to worry (for now at least) about Eladar doing anything violent.

Originally posted by Teinosuke
The men who died in World War II did so at the high watermark of the New Deal. Some of them are probably turning in their graves to see how the hopes and institutions of that era have been dismantled. And if they thought they were waging war to end fascism, some of them might think that Guantanamo Bay is a bit too close for comfort.

My father was appalled at Kent State (Posse Comitatus: which thank heaven Congress has re-instated. Of course, that's the Socialist Congress that doesn't care about freedom. Don't let it get out that the Democrats do and the Republicans don't because that would ruin so many infantile fantasies (and provide a reason to repeal it!))

Originally posted by TerrierJack
My father was appalled at Kent State (Posse Comitatus: which thank heaven Congress has re-instated. Of course, that's the Socialist Congress that doesn't care about freedom. Don't let it get out that the Democrats do and the Republicans don't because that would ruin so many infantile fantasies (and provide a reason to repeal it!))

One of the saddest days that occurred in my lifetime.

Originally posted by Teinosuke
The men who died in World War II did so at the high watermark of the New Deal. Some of them are probably turning in their graves to see how the hopes and institutions of that era have been dismantled. And if they thought they were waging war to end fascism, some of them might think that Guantanamo Bay is a bit too close for comfort.

So what happened to the kids that made gitmo such a confounding place where the chief (all hail to him) maintained an argument for its existence (waterboarding) where common sense said something was dead wrong about the place's terms of existence.

Originally posted by kmax87
So what happened to the kids that made gitmo such a confounding place where the chief (all hail to him) maintained an argument for its existence (waterboarding) where common sense said something was dead wrong about the place's terms of existence.

I asked my father once why the US did not torture. His answer exemplified the difference between his generation and ours, "We don't do it because it is the wrong thing to do."

(Note that I am well aware that atrocities have occurred in every war by most sides [he was too] but that is quite different than the approval of official policy.)

Originally posted by TerrierJack
I asked my father once why the US did not torture. His answer exemplified the difference between his generation and ours, "We don't do it because it is the wrong thing to do."

its affluenza that's the malady. I'm certain of it. the baby boomers had growth that brought considerable wealth and their kids and grandkids have increasingly at their disposal myriad avenues to avoid actual human contact and we wonder why no-one bothered to be bothered about it....