What's better - 100,000 in Iraq or 6,000 on 9/11

Originally posted by STANG
Much ignorance. Much "nation building". Much racism. Much death.

But would I be accurate in stating that Stan is a liar, baby-killler and war monger? Or did you refuse to participate? Were you a peace monger in Vietnam?

Originally posted by DeepThought
From the point of view of the villagers who were naplamed Vietnem was not a mistake; it was the end. The September the 11th attack saw the people of New York suffer the loss of their friends and family members on a scale that US citizens have never seen before in their home territory. But this kind of devastation has been going on since VE day all acros ...[text shortened]... . My primeminister fired at a city in the full knowledge that he would kill children. Bastard.

Despite the demagogic tone, I agree that the US and Britain should have done better.

The fact is that Al-Qaeda has admitted the will to detonate nuclear devices on US soil. That kind of devastation is something that I can't see neither the British or the American using nowadays, so your argument is a little skewed there.

HOWEVER, that's different than saying that I agree with the intervention in Iraq, which I don't. But I do agree with the one in Afghanistan. Children also died there. Children will always die in wars, but the use of force cannot be put aside when the other side does not.

Originally posted by Weadley
The lesson to be learned from reading this thread is this:

Dont f*** around with my country!
So go f*** yourself now stang.

here here... oh sorry forgot..... 😴

Originally posted by Palynka
Despite the demagogic tone, I agree that the US and Britain should have done better.

The fact is that Al-Qaeda has admitted the will to detonate nuclear devices on US soil. That kind of devastation is something that I can't see neither ...[text shortened]... merican using nowadays, so your argument is a little skewed there.

Wow - have I made it to demagoue status 😏

If 'we' aren't going to use them then why are we (the UK) wasting £1 billion (at least) a year on the Trident fleet?

Originally posted by DeepThought
Wow - have I made it to demagoue status 😏

If 'we' aren't going to use them then why are we (the UK) wasting £1 billion (at least) a year on the Trident fleet?

As a deterrent, obviously.

Originally posted by Delmer
But would I be accurate in stating that Stan is a liar, baby-killler and war monger? Or did you refuse to participate? Were you a peace monger in Vietnam?

"Refuse" isn't the right word. I didn't participate.

Originally posted by STANG
"Refuse" isn't the right word. I didn't participate.

How so? Too young? CO? Medical problems?

Originally posted by Delmer
How so? Too young? CO? Medical problems?

To use your term, I'm a "peace monger".

Originally posted by STANG
To use your term, I'm a "peace monger".

You peddle peace. If peace comes to all of us will you be out of business? If you fight war, are you waging war on war? If you fight for peace isn't that still fighting? Are you fighting to stop fighting? Or is it all just a way to feel superior to the "warmongers"?

Originally posted by Delmer
You peddle peace. If peace comes to all of us will you be out of business? If you fight war, are you waging war on war? If you fight for peace isn't that still fighting? Are you fighting to stop fighting? Or is it all just a way to feel superior to the "warmongers"?

Critics aren't silent.

Originally posted by STANG
Critics aren't silent.

And how does one become a valid critic? Were you annointed? Chosen by committee? Self-proclaimed? Is the unsupported statement "Bush is a liar and a warmonger." a critical statement? Is it the result of critical thinking? Is it free from personal bias?

Originally posted by Delmer
And how does one become a valid critic? Were you annointed? Chosen by committee? Self-proclaimed? Is the unsupported statement "Bush is a liar and a warmonger." a critical statement? Is it the result of critical thinking? Is it free from personal bias?

WMD's were a lie. Not giving the UN more time was wrong. Bush has personal financial interests in oil pipe lines in the Middle East and companies that produce military equipment.

Yes, Bush is a liar and a war monger. Bush, and those who support him, are a threat to the security of the world.

Look into your heart and do what you feel is morally and ethically right. Don't let media, patriotism and selfishness take priority. If you can do that, then I don't mind being ignored.

Originally posted by xxxenophobe
oyu obveously wernt listening to my original posts you wank.... i do think he lied and is a masive hoser.. hell i didnt vote for him ether time... but what i am saying.. is.. due to the situation.. however it got started... that contry..i see.. in the future being much better prosparity wise.. and humanity wise. Thats what im saying.. and yes he is a &^* ...[text shortened]... .. millions will be happier and healthier and better off in the future because of it.... period.

So would you support an invasion of Iran or an attack on North Korea. If so, why and what alternatives have you considered ?

Originally posted by STANG
So would you support an invasion of Iran or an attack on North Korea. If so, why and what alternatives have you considered ?

Why the hell not... well just take over the world.. duh.. i said i didnt justify the hoser bushs' reasoning... if there is ause.. of wich id have to see to justify... or at least be lied to some more by the poopshoot of a prez... so i cant answer that.. but i do think a democracy would be benificial to there way of life... but not through war if at all possible..