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@metal-brain saidThere's a vast difference between testing positive and being sick.
Vaccinated people are getting sick moron. That is why Fauci is telling vaccinated people to wear masks again. DUH!
https://www.bitchute.com/video/OP_aFsG299w/
If I had the resources and the wherewithal, one day during a normal year on, say, December 27, I'd set up a booth in a shopping mall and pay all passerbys a few bucks to get swabbed. I'd then test all the samples for flu-like viruses, rinoviruses, RSV and other winter viruses. I'll bet many, possibly most, of them test positive for something.
If our bodies can handle the germ, then the fact that the germ is in our bodies is not a problem. There are bacteria and viruses all over our bodies as we speak.
If you're vaccinated against COVID, you might test positive, but it's unlikely you'll get sick. And if you do get sick, it's unlikely you'll get very sick.
The CDC masking guidelines (which I don't think are well thought out, but that's another issue) are about vaccinated people spreading the Delta variant. There's no data to suggest vaccinated people are at serious risk from COVID.
29 Jul 21
@sh76 saidI didn't say it was likely.
There's a vast difference between testing positive and being sick.
If I had the resources and the wherewithal, one day during a normal year on, say, December 27, I'd set up a booth in a shopping mall and pay all passerbys a few bucks to get swabbed. I'd then test all the samples for flu-like viruses, rinoviruses, RSV and other winter viruses. I'll bet many, possibly most, of ...[text shortened]... ding the Delta variant. There's no data to suggest vaccinated people are at serious risk from COVID.
"There's no data to suggest vaccinated people are at serious risk from COVID."
Yes there is. Do you just make up this misinformation or did you get duped with misinformation? Which is it?
29 Jul 21
100 fully injected crew members had tested positive onboard the British Defense aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth. The Navy ship has a case rate of 1 in 16 — the highest case rate recorded. This suggests vaccine-induced herd immunity is impossible, as these injections apparently cannot prevent COVID-19 even if 100% of a given population gets them.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/mathematically-impossible-vaccines-eliminate-covid/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=5a26848a-84c9-48e3-a01f-254f31b33314
It is mathematically impossible for COVID shots to eliminate SARS-CoV-2 infection. The four available COVID shots in the U.S. provide an absolute risk reduction between just 0.7% and 1.3%. Meanwhile, the noninstitutionalized infection fatality ratio across age groups is a mere 0.26%. Since the absolute risk that needs to be overcome is lower than the absolute risk reduction these injections can provide, mass vaccination simply cannot have a favorable impact.
29 Jul 21
@metal-brain saidJust wondering.
100 fully injected crew members had tested positive onboard the British Defense aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth. The Navy ship has a case rate of 1 in 16 — the highest case rate recorded. This suggests vaccine-induced herd immunity is impossible, as these injections apparently cannot prevent COVID-19 even if 100% of a given population gets them.
https://childrensh ...[text shortened]... risk reduction these injections can provide, mass vaccination simply cannot have a favorable impact.
Is this post supposed to be your "data to suggest vaccinated people are at serious risk from COVID"?
29 Jul 21
@eladar saidFirst, risk is relative. It depends on how you define it. Is a 0.5% risk of death and a 5% chance of ill-effects lasting months a "risk"? I'd say yes, but you might disagree. Is a 1 in 25,000 risk of death or 1 in 500 risk of ill-effects lasting months a "risk"? I'd say no, but you might disagree.
Is anyone with an average to above average immune system below the age of 65 at serious risk from covid?
But in any case, your qualification excludes something like 60-70% of the population, so why would that even be relevant?
29 Jul 21
@sh76 saidI am talking about younger people in the working force or in schools. The typical person in this group is not at risk from COVID.
First, risk is relative. It depends on how you define it. Is a 0.5% risk of death and a 5% chance of ill-effects lasting months a "risk"? I'd say yes, but you might disagree. Is a 1 in 25,000 risk of death or 1 in 500 risk of ill-effects lasting months a "risk"? I'd say no, but you might disagree.
But in any case, your qualification excludes something like 60-70% of the population, so why would that even be relevant?
Your 1 in 500 number includes those with immune issues and these are the people at risk. Take those people out of the mix and the death rates drop dramatically.
Vaccinating healthy young people saves no more lives than giving them flu shots during normal years. You get the flu shot out of the convenience factor, not to save your life.
29 Jul 21
@eladar saidI don't agree. About 1 in 200 people infected with COVID will die. If you stripped out all the elderly and immunodeficient, that might shrink to 1 in 1,000 or less, but it's still much higher than similarly situated people with the flu will die (the flu also skews to the old and immunodeficient).
I am talking about younger people in the working force or in schools. The typical person in this group is not at risk from COVID.
Your 1 in 500 number includes those with immune issues and these are the people at risk. Take those people out of the mix and the death rates drop dramatically.
Vaccinating healthy young people saves no more lives than giving them flu shots during normal years. You get the flu shot out of the convenience factor, not to save your life.
We can ballpark that COVID is roughly 4 or 5 times as deadly as the flu but also at least 3 times as contagious. So, without vaccines, you'll have roughly 12-15 times as many COVID deaths as flu deaths.
That the numbers indicate you'll probably live if you get COVID is not a very compelling reason to not get vaxxed.
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@sh76
For all people 30 and younger, the probability of being hospitalized is 1 in 500. This means that the death rate is much lower and if you get rid of the immune people used the probability would approach 0.
Being more conageous is great, it means it will pass through the population more quickly bringing about natural herd immunity faster.
Already the US has about 150 million people who have gotten covid and recovered.
29 Jul 21
@eladar said===Being more conageous is great, it means it will pass through the population more quickly bringing about natural herd immunity faster.===
@sh76
For all people 30 and younger, the probability of being hospitalized is 1 in 500. This means that the death rate is much lower and if you get rid of the immune people used the probability would approach 0.
Being more conageous is great, it means it will pass through the population more quickly bringing about natural herd immunity faster.
Already the US has about 150 million people who have gotten covid and recovered.
Let me know when we get herd immunity to the common cold, will you?
29 Jul 21
@sh76 saidAll common colds are a result of the exact same virus?
===Being more conageous is great, it means it will pass through the population more quickly bringing about natural herd immunity faster.===
Let me know when we get herd immunity to the common cold, will you?
29 Jul 21
@sh76 saidThere are more differences than variants.
No, there are variants. Just as there are and will continue to be COVID variants.
An estimated 30-35% of all adult colds are caused by rhinoviruses. In people with asthma, particularly
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/understanding-common-cold-virus
If about 1/3 are rhinoviruses, what are the other 2/3?
29 Jul 21
@eladar saidThe common cold can be caused by more than 200 different viruses. Around 50 percent of colds are caused by rhinoviruses, other cold-causing viruses include: human parainfluenza virus. Human metapneumovirus. coronaviruses adenovirus. human respiratory syncytial virus. enteroviruses.
There are more differences than variants.
An estimated 30-35% of all adult colds are caused by rhinoviruses. In people with asthma, particularly
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/understanding-common-cold-virus
If about 1/3 are rhinoviruses, what are the other 2/3?
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/166606.php
You should really educate yourself on this stuff before you start making such obviously false claims sh.
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@eladar said==If about 1/3 are rhinoviruses, what are the other 2/3?===
There are more differences than variants.
An estimated 30-35% of all adult colds are caused by rhinoviruses. In people with asthma, particularly
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/understanding-common-cold-virus
If about 1/3 are rhinoviruses, what are the other 2/3?
Coronaviruses, RSV, influenza and parainfluenza viruses, mainly.
Fine. Just take cold-causing rinoviruses. We're never getting herd immunity to them either, for the same reasons we're not getting herd immunity to COVID.
SARS-COV-2 has only been with us for a couple of years, at most. It will evolve into variants dissimilar to each other. Of course, by that point, unless politics prevent this from happening, we'll probably be calling it a version of the flu.