15 May 05
Originally posted by pjhenThat is good shooting . But we have things over here that prevent those conditions from being commonplace . We call these things "trees" , and "hills" , and "mountains" . They get in the way a lot .
Shooting deer at 100 yds??
Why not just try hitting them with a cricket bat.
Thats not shooting, thats plinking.
Try a red deer hind at 400 yards over a scottish moor n a stiff westerly, with a Sako .308
That shooting.
15 May 05
Originally posted by pjhenIf you would use a .300 Winchester Magnum you could stop shooting red deer at close range. Really it is the terrain, brush and trees or lack there of, weather, laws, shooters ability and knowledge, the gun and cartridge combination, and time and chance that determine if a shoot is close or long range.
Shooting deer at 100 yds??
Why not just try hitting them with a cricket bat.
Thats not shooting, thats plinking.
Try a red deer hind at 400 yards over a scottish moor n a stiff westerly, with a Sako .308
That shooting.
15 May 05
Originally posted by pjhenNo , sincerely that is great shooting . My point is you are so rarely going to be presented with a shot like that because any animal dumb enough to walk out in the open like that was shot long ago . Any animal you see in the open is generally running a$$holes and elbows for the nearest cover . And there is so much cover for them to hide in . And they hide in the thickest stuff . You either have to know their habits and the terain so well you ambush them at the right place/time ; or you stalk them down .
Not on the Mondhalaith.
Mind you, the wind makes up for the lack of trees..and the rain.
Nice place otherwise.
Even then it's not exactly like hitting them with a cricket bat . I had a bull elk within 40 yards of me last year and never got a clear shot . I would see him for less than a half second at a time . (Keep in mind we have "point restrictions" here . The only legal bull I could shoot must have had 4 points on one side or a brow tine longer than 5 inches . Can you see that through thick pines in a half second ?) Crawl through/over/under dead fallen pine and get within 40 yards of an elk on a steep shale covered mountain side without him knowing you're there - and you'll long for 400 yard open shots . It's not shooting the animals out here , it's getting a shot at one of the animals that's hard .
15 May 05
Originally posted by Moldy CrowI called in a bull elk got it within 100 yards couldnt get a clear shot because of Fog, A little later some other hunters shot it, it scored around 400 B&C Made me want to cry
No , sincerely that is great shooting . My point is you are so rarely going to be presented with a shot like that because any animal dumb enough to walk out in the open like that was shot long ago . Any animal you see in the open is generally running a$$holes and elbows for the nearest cover . And there is so much cover for them to hide in . And they hide ...[text shortened]... s not shooting the animals out here , it's getting a shot at one of the animals that's hard .
16 May 05
Originally posted by Moldy CrowStill with a sub MOA rifle, at 400 yards you should be able to consistantly place a bullet within a 4 inch circle (assuming you have appropriately adjusted for wind). I don't think I try for a kill shot at this range, but, it is certainly feasible.
No , sincerely that is great shooting . My point is you are so rarely going to be presented with a shot like that because any animal dumb enough to walk out in the open like that was shot long ago . Any animal you see in the open is generally running a$$holes and elbows for the nearest cover . And there is so much cover for them to hide in . And they hide ...[text shortened]... s not shooting the animals out here , it's getting a shot at one of the animals that's hard .
Ever go gopher shooting? Tons of fun with high powered rifles. I managed to kill one at just under 600 yards (.308 168gr. BTHP). Shot milk jugs and 2liter Coke bottles filled with water for practice at 600-700. Good times had by all but the gophers.
16 May 05
Originally posted by Hand of HecateAre you talking about those little 13 lined ground squirrels , or prairie dogs , or woodchucks ; or something completely different ?
Still with a sub MOA rifle, at 400 yards you should be able to consistantly place a bullet within a 4 inch circle (assuming you have appropriately adjusted for wind). I don't think I try for a kill shot at this range, but, it is certainly feasible.
Ever go gopher shooting? Tons of fun with high powered rifles. I managed to kill one at just unde ...[text shortened]... Coke bottles filled with water for practice at 600-700. Good times had by all but the gophers.
What's the drop on that 308 at 600 ? What kind of optics are you using , the Hubble ?
16 May 05
Originally posted by Moldy CrowPrarie Dogs.
Are you talking about those little 13 lined ground squirrels , or prairie dogs , or woodchucks ; or something completely different ?
What's the drop on that 308 at 600 ? What kind of optics are you using , the Hubble ?
Using a Remington bolt action with 168gr BTHP calibrated Springfield Armory 4-14x56 Scope (bullet drop built in). The gun is sighted in a 200 and the best 5 shot group I've had is under an inch.
16 May 05
Originally posted by Hand of HecateSweet ! You win the prize . I'm happy with 3 shots in a quarter at 100 , but I'm only shooting a Bushnell 4 x . I would screw up with schmantzy optics like yours out in the field .
Prarie Dogs.
Using a Remington bolt action with 168gr BTHP calibrated Springfield Armory 4-14x56 Scope (bullet drop built in). The gun is sighted in a 200 and the best 5 shot group I've had is under an inch.
16 May 05
Originally posted by Moldy CrowUnfortunately, the damn thing weighs a ton by the end of the day with bipod, scope bigger than a babies arm, kevlar stock, and all the usual crap you 'have' to have with you.
Sweet ! You win the prize . I'm happy with 3 shots in a quarter at 100 , but I'm only shooting a Bushnell 4 x . I would screw up with schmantzy optics like yours out in the field .
Maybe you can help me with something, I've got a bushmaster AR-15 that I refuse to put a scope on, but I'm crap with iron sites. At 100 yards I'm getting 3 inch groups of the bench on a good day if I'm lucky. I'm sure the gun is capable of more, I'm just all over the place. Any words of wisdom. I'm sure part of the problem is repeatable check weld, but despite the lack of recoil, I still pull the trigger and probably jerk the whole rifle.