12 Jul 05
Originally posted by Darth SpongeThank you bananna man, indeed very helpful!
you become an addict by doing it. despite propaganda, nothing is addictive with one try (if there are substances out there for which this isn't true, please correct me). but you try it, you like it, you do it again. over time the frequency of use increases until you can't imagine living without whatever it is that you're addicted to. i started smok ...[text shortened]... d, while working in mexico in an office where Everyone else smoked. you can do it. fight hard.
I hav to rec you for that wonderful advice 🙂
12 Jul 05
Originally posted by Darth SpongeIt's possible (but not likely) to become physically addicted to heroin on the first try.
you become an addict by doing it. despite propaganda, nothing is addictive with one try (if there are substances out there for which this isn't true, please correct me).
12 Jul 05
Originally posted by PalynkaI don't think this is true. by no means would i diminish the damaging effects of heroin, but i don't think it's physically addicting on the first try. you might try it and like it SO much that you are instantly mentally addicted, but a physical, metabolic addiction takes time and nurturing. metabolic addiction is defined by the fact your body Must have the chemical to maintain a normal metabolism. i've never done heroin myself. my sources on this are the writings of William Burroughs and personal experience working with people in recovery from heroin or crystal meth in drug/alcohol rehabs. crystal meth is another one that people talk about being instantly addictive, but the concept of Instant Addiction is, i think, erroneous. and dangerous too, since the substances we're talking about are potentially lethal. if someone tries heroin, for example, likes it, and then waits a few weeks to try it again (to make sure they're not addicted), then they might think that if that part of the propaganda was wrong, then perhaps the nefarious reputation of the drug is undeserved. complete honesty about the effects of drugs is very very necessary. scare tactics don't work, and i think the concept of "instant addiction" was created as a propaganda tactic. they used to say marijuana is instantly addictive too.
It's possible (but not likely) to become physically addicted to heroin on the first try.
if it is physically addicting on the first try, how would one know? if one quits immediatly after the first shot, then would the instantly addicted experience withdraw? i could be wrong about this. i'm just stating my opinions. if anyone has facts on the issue, i'd love to hear them. (but probably on another thread)
12 Jul 05
Originally posted by Darth SpongeYes. I too thought that physical addiction was the body's metabolism 'shifting' to accomodate the new chemical inbalance. Once the person who is addicted, then tries to stop, then withdrawals occur which is the result of the new chemical balance of the body changing back in a most unpleasant way. This infers that a habit must be first formed in the first place. I have also heard that it very rarely becomes phschologically addictive on the first go. It tends to make people vomit and ill the first few attempts. By the time the person starts to successfully enjoy the hit, then it is too late and the synapsis has been affected, causing a strong pyschological dependency.
I don't think this is true. by no means would i diminish the damaging effects of heroin, but i don't think it's physically addicting on the first try. you might try it and like it SO much that you are instantly mentally addicted, but a physical, metabolic addiction takes time and nurturing. metabolic addiction is defined by the fact your body Must ...[text shortened]... f anyone has facts on the issue, i'd love to hear them. (but probably on another thread)
13 Jul 05
Originally posted by Black LungJa, in Northam again.
Nice wun bruvva!
I'm on day two..nicorette,goood!
Hey is oppikoppi at Northam this year??
I have no outside help, no gum / patches / needles / pills.
It's all in the mind man...
I haven't had many cravings - only yesterday after supper - but that's why I quit. I haven't been craving cigs for months now, it was really just habit.
I friggin drop kicking it into touch!
48 hours and counting....
On a side note: My I-have-no-self-discipline-but-a-happy-go-lucky-disposition girlfriend smoked again at work yesterday. She tried to hide the evidence under sweet perfume, but my now wonderfully clear sense of smell caught a whiff of her tar breath.
She fessed up.
Tsk tsk tsk.
Amateurs...
13 Jul 05
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Originally posted by Darth SpongeHaving tried heroin once when I was a student, I would say that the physical side of addiction seems unlikely to be founded on a single instance. Mentally it wasn't for me either, I am way to uptight to enjoy either the vomiting (which was almost pleasant and really upset my sensibilities), or the brain on a handglider sensation which accmpanies the drug. As the dark lord of bath accessories so rightly pointed out, physiological addiction is a shift in metabolism to meet an altered physiological state, it doesn't happen overnight and I would warrant that if it did, it would be much easier to kick. It seems to me that a lot of suspect information about drugs is thrown about, especially in situations like school or college, where people haven't perhaps been made aware of the reality of drugs yet. Urban myths are created and I certainly heard the 'crack is first time addictive' one when I was at uni.
I don't think this is true. by no means would i diminish the damaging effects of heroin, but i don't think it's physically addicting on the first try. you might try it and like it SO much that you are instantly mentally addicted, ...[text shortened]... e, i'd love to hear them. (but probably on another thread)
My advice to people who find themselves confronted with drugs is this: Do not believe anyone else. If you do decide you want to try them (and I'm not saying you should) make sure it is on your own terms and that you are in a safe environment with people who will help you if you need it. Read from multiple sources to ensure you are fully aware of what you are about to do and don't do anything stupid like decide to go up on the roof to watch the stars, stars are millions of miles away and will look just the same from the grass in your garden.
Here's a website that I found useful, but there are others and you should never trust just one site:
http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/
Although it may appear somewhat comedic at first glance, it is a wealth of information and it lays it out without prejudice or opinion. I personally would advise you do not take class A drugs, but if you do, do it as safely as possible.