Originally posted by AcolyteOkay the under 16 forum wasnt a great idea.Point taken.
Vulgar language wouldn't chase away the kids directly, though it might worry their parents. I doubt many teenagers would be interested in an under-16s forum, while certain *unsavoury characters* might be. Minors are a whole new ball game because you have to consider a) will they be offended, and b) is the material discussed 'inappropriate'. To be hones ...[text shortened]... and simply increase the time it takes to find anything by blocking all sorts of different sites.
now more interesting though is your remark about security on the internet.Talking from personal experience?😉
Origionally posted in the "help & ideas" forum, but the debate appears to be here
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What's wrong with my idea of making people wait at least a month before they can post?
Dave
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as I said before dave, that would deter the one time spammer, but not the determined flammer. I was tempted to create a character called "sleeper" and post an (obviously fake) flame one month later to show that anyone could get around this if they were determined enough. If that character gets banned, suddenly sleeper 2 & sleeper 3 appear. Plus this would deter newbis from joining the community. Plus, a lot of the trouble isn't caused by newbis coming and and casting stones - it's old timers picking fights with each other over long help grudges.
At least having to make 150 moves would take more effort & planning. Your'e right - it could be done in a few minutes, but it requires more effort than leaving sleeper nicks.
OK, so I've answered you as to the flaws I see in your plan. Can you answer me as to mine? Why not have everyone start with restricted posting privelages. 12 months ago, when you first joined you could post, but your post would not appear until it was OK'd by a moderator. That would stop both newbis spamming and people creating nrew nicks to flame anonamously. After a time, if your posts were found to be clean, you would be given instant posting rights. If you later started flaming I guess you could have your instant rights revolked for a time, or even ALL your rights to post revolked.
The major downside I see right away is the extra work for mods, but there are plenty of people who'd be willing to moderate.
I also agree with the thought that the way mods are chosen should be reviewed. Not that the mods we have are bad, but without a clear selection procedure and clear guidlines about what is an unacceptable post, then people will always be able to say "but why does he have the right to..."
Originally posted by AcolyteI think this is very true. Creating such a forum would be a waste of space and time. Anyone with the wherewithal to turn on a computer and, further, to play chess in a fairly serious manner is capable of determining whether a discussion is appropriate for there eyes. I think spam and inanity are far more serious threats than vulgarity, because they ultimately do more damage and are much more difficult to detect.
Vulgar language wouldn't chase away the kids directly, though it might worry their parents. I doubt many teenagers would be interested in an under-16s forum, while certain *unsavoury characters* might be. Minors are a whole new ball game because you have to consider a) will they be offended, and b) is the material discussed 'inappropriate'. To be hones ...[text shortened]... and simply increase the time it takes to find anything by blocking all sorts of different sites.
Originally posted by RavelloThe point of resuscitating this thread, in case you were unable to grasp it, is that this problem has been ongoing, the debates have occurred and recurred. Last time around, debates such as this gave rise to the Terms of Service agreement. We still have yet to reach an understanding concerning when we wish to allow the moderators the power to take action in the forums. This needs to be remedied. The first step, in my opinion, is getting clear on what our criteria ought to be for the removal of a post, the suspension of posting privileges, etc.
Pretty sad that you resuscitate a one and a half year dead thread only to discuss again mods operating.
There are already a couple of threads about it,there was no need for another.
So, instead of bitching and moaning, Ravello, why don't you contribute something useful? Perhaps you could start by telling us under what circumstances you think it is justifiable for a moderator to remove a post.
Originally posted by bbarrhe has contributed something - and it is far more useful than most of this thread.
So, instead of bitching and moaning, Ravello, why don't you contribute something useful? Perhaps you could start by telling us under what circumstances you think it is justifiable for a moderator to remove a post.
i think he is saying that we have had enough of this stuff.
russ seems to have said the same thing:
I am personally finding it very tiring dealing with the endless bickering in the forums. Whenever I sit down to work on the site, I expect to answer a large number of feedback emails and personal messages, that is just part of running this site, but the endless flood of complaints about forums posting/forum bans/forum moderating/forum whatever?
i think there is a place to do this in the help section and that is where the discussion should continue, before we get another avalanche rivalling the religous discussions here - or before russ really goes to work at burger king.
in friendship,
prad
Originally posted by pradtfWell, if we have had enough of this stuff, then why don't we get clear on how we'd like the forums to be regulated? Or, alternatively, we could follow your advice: We can message Russ about problems with moderators instead of getting clear, as a community, upon our standards for moderator intervention. But wait, that wouldn't solve Russ's problems at all. In fact, I remember him claiming somewhere the following:
he has contributed something - and it is far more useful than most of this thread.
i think he is saying that we have had enough of this stuff.
russ seems to have said the same thing:
I am personally finding it very tiring dealing w ...[text shortened]... ss really goes to work at burger king.
in friendship,
prad
I am personally finding it very tiring dealing with the endless bickering in the forums. Whenever I sit down to work on the site, I expect to answer a large number of feedback emails and personal messages, that is just part of running this site, but the endless flood of complaints about forums posting/forum bans/forum moderating/forum whatever?
There are 70 or so posts in this thread, and I'm sorry that I've not read all of them -- forgive me if I'm not "on message." I spent the first two years of my online chess life at another site and at one time the forum there was unique and wonderful. I would write 1 to 3 page posts about history/philosophy/theology and in return would mostly get very thoughtful, very well-considered replies. Eventually, however, so many people chimed in with three line attacks that the admin got tired of mediating all the child-like bickering and just started to close everything down on the forums out of desperation. I believe RHP may be at this point. I was happy to see that RHP had a bustling forum community, because I do believe that chess players (in general) have interesting opinions. But my point is this: try to clean things up tidily, while bothering Russ or Chris as little as possible. They don't need the added strain. Otherwise, you here at RHP may find yourself in the position of the dedicated posters at the site I mentioned earlier: without a reasonable community of people to talk to about a myriad of things.
My last note is this: at every site I've ever been to, religion is the one thing that incites the most conflict. I'd suggest to the reasonable out there in the RHP world to stick to more tractable problems. No one has solved the problem of God for thousands of years -- name calling and red-faced, angrily written replies won't do it here on a chess site.
Yours,
Sarah
Originally posted by pradtfOne last thing: above is a quote from Russ. It nearly echoes exactly what the admin of the site I belonged to (and still playing there) said before he got so fed up he stripped the site of its active forum community. RHP players, please clean things up yourself, don't cry to Russ; otherwise you might find yourself just making chess moves but with no one to talk to about all the interesting things one can discuss in the forums here.
russ seems to have said the same thing:
I am personally finding it very tiring dealing with the endless bickering in the forums. Whenever I sit down to work on the site, I expect to answer a large number of feedback emails and personal messages, that is just part of running this site, but the endless flood of complaints about forums posting/forum bans/forum moderating/forum whatever?
Originally posted by bbarrexactly! so let's stop these threads and stop the "bitching and moaning".
But wait, that wouldn't solve Russ's problems at all.
if you have serious contributions to make for the betterment of the site, do so in the help forum.
start a genuine thread there. summarize the main ideas of the participants into a coherent set of recommendations. then present it to russ to do with as he will.
fortunately, i rather doubt russ is going to be bombarded with an avalanche of emails telling him how he should run this site.
i also think he will simply trash the monotonously repetitive ones. he has his own life to lead too.
in friendship,
prad
Originally posted by AsianRosethis is just it, sarah.
T try to clean things up tidily, while bothering Russ or Chris as little as possible.
some excellent forums are run with a ban-first and ask later attitude.
i think this is an excellent idea myself.
it forces posters to take responsibility for their posts. it prevents the kind of garbage that has been going on recently on RHP. it makes the work of the mods easier and it doesn't stress out the forum owner. it is really simple and effective.
russ gave us this place through a lot of hard work and effort. we should repay him appropriately.
in friendship,
prad
Originally posted by bbarrEverything on this issue has been said and in these days the general forum is overloaded by threads about mods operating soI don't see the need to resuscitate a thread dead since March 2003.
So, instead of bitching and moaning, Ravello, why don't you contribute something useful? Perhaps you could start by telling us under what circumstances you think it is justifiable for a moderator to remove a post.
Pradtf has fully answered with the right words and even Russ said several times that he's tired of these issues.
Since the moderation system is right just as it is now and it's not going to be changed because it works fine,I don't see the need to argue about it again,especially when three threads are already doing it.
Sincerely I guess you resuscitated it because it was you that started this thread a year and a half ago,if it was started by another guy you'd never resuscitated it.
I'm not ''bitching and moaning'' , I'm only stating the obvious,why don't you grasp it? 😉