@divegeester saidSo, it's like a confession in church. You apologize and that's it. Or like criminals do - they get drunk, do things and can't remember what they did.
If you are indeed a “completely new person” then you would no longer be the person who did the bad thing and therefore not culpable.
@divegeester saidAgree, it's not quite the same, but changing cells every seven years and expect to be forgiven every time you do it for things you did in the meantime as a totally different person - no, it's not right.
In church confession you are the same person, not a biologically regenerated “completely new person”.
31 May 23
@torunn saidIf you were a “completely new person” then you would no longer be the person you were in any way whatsoever and therefore you would not need to be forgiven as you would have never done the bad thing in question.
Agree, it's not quite the same, but changing cells every seven years and expect to be forgiven every time you do it for things you did in the meantime as a totally different person - no, it's not right.
@divegeester saidBut the consequences of your previous actions would still be there. You killed somebody and that person is gone. You live as a new being with your new cells but what you did is still a fact. I say no to this.
If you were a “completely new person” then you would no longer be the person you were in any way whatsoever and therefore you would not need to be forgiven as you would have never done the bad thing in question.
@divegeester saidWhat if the criminal acts were committed by an atheist who subsequently found God and was 'born again.' Is being born again not analogous with becoming a completely new person?
In church confession you are the same person, not a biologically regenerated “completely new person”.
“If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!” (2 Cor. 5:17).
@ghost-of-a-duke saidAll criminals would suddenly find God.
What if the criminal acts were committed by an atheist who subsequently found God and was 'born again.' Is being born again not analogous with becoming a completely new person?
“If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!” (2 Cor. 5:17).
@the-gravedigger saidApart from dyslexic criminals, who find dog.
All criminals would suddenly find God.
@torunn saidI think most people would agree with your position, but the premise is an interesting one.
Agree, it's not quite the same, but changing cells every seven years and expect to be forgiven every time you do it for things you did in the meantime as a totally different person - no, it's not right.
As an aside, they say a dog's year is equivalent to 7 human years, so on that basis we would need to forgive our dogs on a yearly basis, even if they destroy our slippers.
@torunn saidBut if you are a “completely different person” as stated in the OP, then the consequences would not be yours to bear.
But the consequences of your previous actions would still be there. You killed somebody and that person is gone. You live as a new being with your new cells but what you did is still a fact. I say no to this.
31 May 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI remember watching a documentary about following the lives of people at 7 year intervals. Was it “7 Up”?
Although not entirely true, let's assume you are a completely new person every 7 years (where all your cells have been replaced and regenerated). Would one therefore be able to claim that anything bad we did 7 years ago was not done by us?
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NO NOT the soft drink.😡
31 May 23
@yo-its-me saidOnly the good ones yo. 🙂
Do you feel you are representative of all Canadians VR?
-VR
31 May 23
@torunn saidI think cells are relevant only to a body and its continuing functioning and existence.
But the consequences of your previous actions would still be there. You killed somebody and that person is gone. You live as a new being with your new cells but what you did is still a fact. I say no to this.
Meanwhile, a "person" is a literally unique thought- and behaviour-forming narrative that can be accessed exclusively [and added to] as long as the body that enables that "person" to exist doesn't perish.
31 May 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWhy not start a thread on this different scenario.
What if the criminal acts were committed by an atheist who subsequently found God and was 'born again.' Is being born again not analogous with becoming a completely new person?
“If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!” (2 Cor. 5:17).
31 May 23
@divegeester saidIt's too hypothetical for me.
But if you are a “completely different person” as stated in the OP, then the consequences would not be yours to bear.