07 May 07
Here is a inconvenent truth
HOUSE # 1:
A 20-room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house all heated by gas. In ONE MONTH ALONE this mansion consumes more energy than the average American household in an ENTIRE YEAR. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2,400.00 per month. In natural gas alone (which last time we checked was a fossil fuel), this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not in a northern or Midwestern "snow belt," either. It's in the South.
HOUSE # 2:
Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university, this house incorporates every "green" feature current home construction can provide. The house contains only 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on arid high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F.) heats the house in winter and cools it in summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas, and it consumes 25% of the electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Flowers and shrubs native to the area blend the property into the surrounding rural landscape. This one is in the South also.
HOUSE # 1 (20 room energy guzzling mansion) is outside of Nashville,Tennessee. It is the abode of that renowned environmentalist (and filmmaker) Al Gore.
HOUSE # 2 (model eco-friendly house) is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas. Also known as "the Texas White House," it is the private residence of the President of the United States, George W. Bush
07 May 07
Originally posted by lepomisI'd rather have the mansion.
Here is a inconvenent truth
HOUSE # 1:
A 20-room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house all heated by gas. In ONE MONTH ALONE this mansion consumes more energy than the average American household in an ENTIRE YEAR. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs ove ...[text shortened]... House," it is the private residence of the President of the United States, George W. Bush
07 May 07
Originally posted by Anonymousnumber1Your right... he made the changes once everyone caught on the his scam. Also he buys LOTS of carbon credits to offset the waste.
huh, i thought ol' gore got his house redone to make it energy efficeint?
below was origially posted by someone called dealcracker
- The "Becoming Green Like Al Gore" Instruction Manual --
1. Become rich and powerful
2. Build a large mansion and equip it with large powerful appliances and mechanical systems.
3. Add lots of unnecessary amenities such as dusk to dawn perimeter lighting, patio heaters and a large pool with a gas fired heater and pool house.
4. Fly around the country in a private jet and drive a fleet of SUVs wherever you go.
5. Pay or (better yet) legislate the peasants to conserve energy to offset the fuel emissions that you create with your lavish and wasteful lifestyle.
6.Relax, have fun and feel good about your greenness.
07 May 07
Originally posted by Officer DibbleThat was exactly what I was talking about. And you're right, RubberIdiot illustrated my point exceptionally well. I'm seconding your nomination for "biggest douche in the universe."
i'm in the uk and there aren't that many people around here who'd react like that - there's not much climate-change denial around. the audience i saw it with was full of distinguished scientists, for example, and none of the questions to gore afterwards suggested he might have got any of the science wrong.
but rubberjaw has certainly demonstrate ...[text shortened]... e'll be delighted to hear i'm nominating him for the biggest douche in the universe award.
I think we can probably start the voting...
07 May 07
Originally posted by lepomisWhat Gore does or doesn't do isn't the point. Can you accept that a person you don't necessarily like might be able to tell you things that are true? Just because a person is a hypocrite it doesn't change the facts they're speaking about. Your argument seems to be "X is not following his own advice. Therefore everything X tells me is untrue." This is an obvious fallacy. I can tell you smoking is bad all day long while sucking on 45 Johnny Blue's and I'm still right about smoking.
Your right... he made the changes once everyone caught on the his scam. Also he buys LOTS of carbon credits to offset the waste.
below was origially posted by someone called dealcracker
- The "Becoming Green Like Al Gore" Instruction Manual --
1. Become rich and powerful
2. Build a large mansion and equip it with large powerful appliances and mech ...[text shortened]... ith your lavish and wasteful lifestyle.
6.Relax, have fun and feel good about your greenness.
07 May 07
Originally posted by st00p1dfac3The trouble is, Armageddon Accelerators need a role model--one that they like--to emulate. It's the logic of the lowest common denominator played out like a mass-participation game of Simon Says...
What Gore does or doesn't do isn't the point. Can you accept that a person you don't necessarily like might be able to tell you things that are true? Just because a person is a hypocrite it doesn't change the facts they're speaking about. Your argument seems to be "X is not following his own advice. Therefore everything X tells me is untrue." This i ...[text shortened]... s bad all day long while sucking on 45 Johnny Blue's and I'm still right about smoking.
07 May 07
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI don't disagree, but I had thought (perhaps wrongly) that this site had a greater percentage of people who thought independently of role models, that people here were not representative of the general public. I had thought that people on this site were able to see fact, and think for themselves, come to their own conclusions. Maybe I was mistaken, maybe the people here are the same sheep blindly following the leader. I still don't think so. Call me "Optimist Prime." (Sweet... I gave myself a cool Transformers nickname...)
The trouble is, Armageddon Accelerators need a role model--one that they like--to emulate. It's the logic of the lowest common denominator played out like a mass-participation game of Simon Says...
07 May 07
Originally posted by st00p1dfac3Chess players are good at thinking inside a very complicated box...
I don't disagree, but I had thought (perhaps wrongly) that this site had a greater percentage of people who thought independently of role models, that people here were not representative of the general public.
07 May 07
Originally posted by Bosse de NageNo idea - I have been fortunate enough to never have stumbled across (or over) one.
Ahem.
What are right-wing nut-jobs called in New Zealand? What are their distinguishing characteristics?
Whilst ambivalent towards America as a whole, W is mostly despised by Kiwis (at least, among everyone I talk politics with).
Alas, all is not rosy down here ... we have this insane anti-smacking bill looking to be passed into law - despite a huge majority of the general public opposing it - 80% +.
I was frequently smacked as a kid and the only lasting effect I've noticed is a propensity towards toilet humour ... not sure of the cause/effect relationship there - my logical thinking has never been the same after I got clouted by a leg of mutton when I was 11. 🙁
07 May 07
Originally posted by Anonymousnumber1Here Here!!!
SOMEONE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SAVE THE BEES
I LACK HONEY GOODNESSS
Finally someone who has seen past the propaganda and gotten down to the real issue.
BTW, since it is lack of governments listening to experts over the past 30+ years and big industry's greed, can someone explain to me why I personally have to spend more of my hard earned, minuscule earnings to be able to take a flight to somewhere nice and sunny 1 a d*nm week a year to add a bit of excitement to MY life. And be taxed if I have the nerve to own a car to get me to my job and drive it instead of getting public transport which takes me twice as long, taking away what little free time I do have.
Sorry, but once again the average joe/jane is being made to feel guilty and pay while the wealthy just carry on living their lives either oblivious or non-caring to what is going on in the other 98% of the world.
Oops, [climbing down off soap box]... anyway
Save the Bees!
07 May 07
Originally posted by lepomisoh boy. I was totally fooled by bush making his money from the oil industry, actively spreading disinformation about global warming and disregarding environmental treaties. when in fact he's a great environmentalist. it's all so clear now, how could I not see that before! the high-tech shack in the desert completely turns the tables. (what a great pr stunt!)
Here is a inconvenent truth
HOUSE # 1:
A 20-room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house all heated by gas. In ONE MONTH ALONE this mansion consumes more energy than the average American household in an ENTIRE YEAR. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs ove ...[text shortened]... House," it is the private residence of the President of the United States, George W. Bush
al gore should invent a time machine, travel back in time to when the mansion was built, and force the constructors to come up with all these excellent modern environmental techniques. now that would be really cool and make a real impact in the environmental issues at hand. instead of trying to pass environmental legislation and giving that silly lecture he's been giving about 1000 times the last 30 years.