Originally posted by mikelomGood and bad are concepts created by humans so my guess would be we are fundamentally both.
Fundamentally speaking, are humans good or bad? It's a question that has repeatedly been asked throughout humanity. For thousands of years, philosophers have debated whether we have a basically good nature that is corrupted by society, or a basically bad nature that is kept in check by society. Psychology has uncovered some evidence which might give the old ...[text shortened]... and Milgram experiments.
This time it reveals something nice about human nature!! 🙂
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Originally posted by sumydidThose examples are learned behaviours and thus not valid to this discussion. You assert that children are naturally liars and whiners etc but supply no proof. The truth is that these are learned by the children from the environment around them.
Or, possibly, it's a keen insight into what is factually correct. By being taught that humans are not born "good," I am not any more or less controlled by anyone. You suggested that but for a few exceptions, children will always do what is "good," given the choice. Everything I've been taught, everything I've read, and everything I've seen with my own 2 e manipulating? These things on the other hand come completely natural to children.
We are discussing if we are born good not what we learn to be a few years down the road.
17 Jan 13
Originally posted by Ponderable"We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back
If you look at what happens on the world you would say that there seem to be outright good people doing a lot of good and bad people undoing that.
The answer could be that you have to define "fundamental natre" properly to make an assesment.
to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive." (C. S. Lewis)
17 Jan 13
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby“Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.” (Oscar Wilde)
"We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back
to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive." (C. S. Lewis)
18 Jan 13
Originally posted by HandyAndyThat's actually a very insightful statement. Most of us learn from our elders, or our elders stories and information; some I'm glad I never had the intimate encounter with of having to learn from ↑ .
“Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.” (Oscar Wilde)
What we are taught as youngsters is assumed knowledge from those around us, most of who have failed in many areas.
Rather simple, really.
Personally, I believe humans are born with traits of any kind, but may be genetically set to follow in traited areas of ancestry.
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18 Jan 13
Originally posted by mikelomThere are People who do not have a good bone in their entire body.
That's actually a very insightful statement. Most of us learn from our elders, or our elders stories and information; some I'm glad I never had the intimate encounter with of having to learn from ↑ .
What we are taught as youngsters is assumed knowledge from those around us, most of who have failed in many areas.
Rather simple, really.
Persona ...[text shortened]... traits of any kind, but may be genetically set to follow in traited areas of ancestry.
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Some of them may be members of RHP!
18 Jan 13
Originally posted by mikelomI agree with your first statement, humans aren't perfect and we're all a product of our environment and upbringing, which also isn't perfect.
What we are taught as youngsters is assumed knowledge from those around us, most of who have failed in many areas.
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Personally, I believe humans are born with traits of any kind, but may be genetically set to follow in traited areas of ancestry.
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I'm sure you meant to say "born without traits of any kind". I feel that a significant part of personality must be genetically derived. That's only my opinion, based on the differences I've seen between twins.