19 Jan 13
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Originally posted by OdBodInteresting insight. Though in my experience, most believers in whatever supernatural deity readily recognize and admit their weaknesses. By recognition and admission, one is well on their way to overcoming their weaknesses.
Do you think that it might be a good thing to expose our weakness, then we stand a chance of overcoming them,rather than relying on a supernatural being.
19 Jan 13
Originally posted by mikelomFirst you have to define what is good.
Fundamentally speaking, are humans good or bad? It's a question that has repeatedly been asked throughout humanity. For thousands of years, philosophers have debated whether we have a basically good nature that is corrupted by society, or a basically bad nature that is kept in check by society. Psychology has uncovered some evidence which might give the old ...[text shortened]... and Milgram experiments.
This time it reveals something nice about human nature!! 🙂
-m.
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19 Jan 13
Originally posted by sumydidFair point, but most god based belief systems tie the individual to a set of guidelines enforced through various mechanisms or stone wall reasoned argument with reference to unquestioned belief.
Interesting insight. Though in my experience, most believers in whatever supernatural deity readily recognize and admit their weaknesses. By recognition and admission, one is well on their way to overcoming their weaknesses.
This I think places limits on independent thinking. Values change and what is good or bad is not always clear. We need to deal with ongoing and new situations ourselves, and take full responsibility for our own future, to do this I think that independent thought should not be restricted.
Originally posted by OdBodStrip away the facade, human beings are rotten. No damn good. Depraved, there's nothing to be redeemed except for a soul that recognizes its helplessnes and determines to do something about. As with any hole, climbing out requires help. The Creator, alone, is able to come to the rescue (and He did). An uncoerced decision to accept that help represents the only thing we have He considers worth having. Think. Give it, extraction from the perils of going it alone. Hide behind emotional pride and arrogance. Withhold it, eternal separation from God and unimaginable suffering forever. Today, you decide.
Fair point, but most god based belief systems tie the individual to a set of guidelines enforced through various mechanisms or stone wall reasoned argument with reference to unquestioned belief.
This I think places limits on independent thinking. Values change and what is good or bad is not always clear. We need to deal with ongoing and new situations ourse ...[text shortened]... bility for our own future, to do this I think that independent thought should not be restricted.
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19 Jan 13
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Originally posted by whodeyThat depends upon your own experience and phenomenal field, with regard to your own cognitive schemata. What is good is individualistic, but does have a level of some shared perception in points of view, primarily 'empathy'.
First you have to define what is good.
Well?
We all perceive who we are are at any given moment, and we shape our perceptions by general factors, including past, present and our future expectations. If we all, as indicuals can have a tendency to actualise bringing those tendencies together then we strongly move away from the distortions of individualism in an agreed manner.
That leads to the phenomenon that I would class as being 'shared goodness'.
-m.
19 Jan 13
Originally posted by mikelomSubjective human speculation is foolhardy, equivalent to building snow forts unmindful of the big dogs' dog pee. Worthless as the options of defecating in your hand or farting in the wind and going blind. Vertical Relationship matters (and it's free).
That depends upon your own experience and phenomenal field, with regard to your own cognitive schemata. What is good is individualistic, but does have a level of some shared perception in points of view, primarily 'empathy'.
We all perceive who we are are at any given moment, and we shape our perceptions by general factors, including past, present and our ...[text shortened]... nner.
That leads to the phenomenon that I would class as being 'shared goodness'.
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