03 Jul 12
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI place my confidence in people and things that are trustworthy.
Do you, then, place your confidence in a creature lesser than the gods, such as some professor or yourself? If not, isn't somewhat
difficult with confidence in no one and no thing? Wouldn't a guy's boat drift aimlessly if lacking any compass or rudder?
03 Jul 12
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyWhy do you feel the need to ask me to grasp something I already understand?
*"The sects that exist in the United States are innumerable, yet all sects preach the same [b]moral law in the name of God." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Consider the alternative. Founding Fathers were well aware that restricting liberty and individual freedom to any single religion, sect, order or brotherhood of initiates would, ipso facto, mean that ...[text shortened]... anwhile, fight the good fight and keep on resisting the temptation to get subjective. -gb
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I simply threw some quotes out there to make people think about what our forefathers had in mind when it came to the future of our nation. They were all for the basic and rightful freedoms that were outlined in the first amendment, and they exercised their right to reject god. Do you really think that God Bless America playing over the loud speakers at countless firework shows across the nation is what they would have wanted?
I must have missed the August invite since I have no idea what you are talking about.
03 Jul 12
Originally posted by usmc725730 Jun '12 03:54
Why do you feel the need to ask me to grasp something I already understand?
I simply threw some quotes out there to make people think about what our forefathers had in mind when it came to the future of our nation. They were all for the basic and rightful freedoms that were outlined in the first amendment, and they exercised their right to reject god. Do ...[text shortened]... d?
I must have missed the August invite since I have no idea what you are talking about.
"Nothing makes the earth seem so spacious as to have friends at a distance; they make the latitudes and longitudes." ~Henry David Thoreau
Enjoy the Summer of 2012. See you in August.
-Bobby
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Just my playful way of letting you know that once the RHP 2012 Prose Competition is concluded I'll be back in the sandbox in earnest (God Willing) once again.
😉
03 Jul 12
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyAre you saying that choosing to believe in a being greater than yourself is a practical solution for steering a course through life?
Do you, then, place your confidence in a creature lesser than the gods, such as some professor or yourself? If not, isn't somewhat
difficult with confidence in no one and no thing? Wouldn't a guy's boat drift aimlessly if lacking any compass or rudder?
What about faith or simply believing in the existence of a god because it appears self evident?
By adhering to the dogma of any given religion are you not choosing the auto pilot option rather than gaining a compass and rudder?
03 Jul 12
Originally posted by kevcvs571) Yes, our brief life on earth and the life which continues after the physical death of our temporary bodies for all eternity. 2) Of course it's self evident or at least intended to be by God's revelation of Himself for the purpose of reconciling depraved humanity. Even Lucifer attests to the pre-existing eternity of The Trinty (three eternal persons sharing the same attributes with different responsibilities toward mankind), except to those who have no interest in the matter they may quietly acknowledge the presence of a first cause, a prime mover, of an authority figure bigger and stronger than their father. 3) In a sense, yes. All 'religion' is manmade... man by man's effort trying to gain the approbation of God. Christianity is a personal relationship made possible by Christ's propitiatory work on the cross which satisfied the justice of God. Reject His Grace Gift of Everlasting Life and accept only your own authority, "gaining a compass and rudder" on your own is the only option you have left. Let's get back on the topic of Patriotism. Okay.
1) Are you saying that choosing to believe in a being greater than yourself is a practical solution for steering a course through life?
2) What about faith or simply believing in the existence of a god because it appears self evident?
3) By adhering to the dogma of any given religion are you not choosing the auto pilot option rather than gaining a compass and rudder?
gb
03 Jul 12
Originally posted by Very RustyWhere do you help and how are you gauging your grand deeds? I wouldn't begin to guess I help or don't help more than should be expected of me, so what barometer are you going by?
I do watch the news.
I also help where it is needed more than most folks, I might add.
How much have you helped? Even a little would be nice to hear.
No, I don't expect an answer.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyBobby, why are you never able to explain your view? By your line of questioning it is easy to see you feel a person without religion lacks a moral compass. You'll throw it out there, but you will not follow it up. Why do you bother with a public forum? Reading your posting is like reading the diary of a man long dead.
*"The sects that exist in the United States are innumerable, yet all sects preach the same moral law in the name of God." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Roll it back to where we came in. A visitor from France (I think) visited The United States during the mid-1800's. Conclusions he reached and recorded regarding "morale law" underpinning of our country's un ...[text shortened]... point of view, with which you'll be pleased. Happy 4th of July across the USA!
-gb
03 Jul 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobie"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
Americans have certainly paid for it with blood.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure." -Thomas Jefferson
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03 Jul 12
Originally posted by Phlabibit02 Jul '12 18:44
Bobby, why are you never able to explain your view? By your line of questioning it is easy to see you feel a person without religion lacks a moral compass. You'll throw it out there, but you will not follow it up. Why do you bother with a public forum? Reading your posting is like reading the diary of a man long dead.
Originally posted by Phlabibit
"I see no problem with what I've deduced from your statement on moral compasses, and won't waste any energy asking you to clarify what you've said if my point made doesn't satisfy your expectation of what exactly you actually implied."
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"The sects that exist in the United States are innumerable, yet all sects preach the same moral law in the name of God." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Roll it back to where we came in. A visitor from France (I think) visited The United States during the mid-1800's. Conclusions he reached and recorded regarding "morale law" underpinning of our country's uniqueness and prosperity have been read, pondered, taught, debated and praised for a century and a half by thoughtful students of history in this country and abroad. All of this seemed pertinent and timely enough to merit a thread, as we prepare to celebrate the 4th on Wednesday. What you choose to "deduce" and run with is strictly your business and none of ours. Taking it to the Debate Forum may produce positive feedback to your point of view, with which you'll be pleased. Happy 4th of July across the USA!
-gb
03 Jul 12
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyLet's just pretend I cut and past my last post... your go.
02 Jul '12 18:44
[b]Originally posted by Phlabibit
"I see no problem with what I've deduced from your statement on moral compasses, and won't waste any energy asking you to clarify what you've said if my point made doesn't satisfy your expectation of what exactly you actually implied."
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" ...[text shortened]... of view, with which you'll be pleased. Happy 4th of July across the USA!
-gb[/b]