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25 May 12
Originally posted by Shallow BlueBut the next-to-last mistake *should* have been the last mistake, which would have undeniably lost.
Tartakower was wrong; you are wrong; moreover, the conclusion you draw from his statement does not follow from it. No amount of intelligent discourse will prove anything to you, so let me illustrate it with the undeniable evidence of a sample game fragment (not from a real game, but it proves the point):
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Richard
EDIT: As it was, the last mistake lost the win, so even though he eked out a draw through insufficient material, he still lost the win that he held in his hand.
05 Jun 12
Originally posted by SuzianneDitto.
But the next-to-last mistake *should* have been the last mistake, which would have undeniably lost.
EDIT: As it was, the last mistake lost the win, so even though he eked out a draw through insufficient material, he still lost the win that he held in his hand.
05 Jun 12
Originally posted by Shallow BlueWell done.
Tartakower was wrong; you are wrong; moreover, the conclusion you draw from his statement does not follow from it. No amount of intelligent discourse will prove anything to you, so let me illustrate it with the undeniable evidence of a sample game fragment (not from a real game, but it proves the point):
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[Date "????.??.? ...[text shortened]... oes not necessarily follow from that of the next-to-last. Q.E.D.
Richard
Originally posted by SuzianneIt's hilarious the lengths people will go to justify something that's obviously wrong.
But the next-to-last mistake *should* have been the last mistake, which would have undeniably lost.
EDIT: As it was, the last mistake lost the win, so even though he eked out a draw through insufficient material, he still lost the win that he held in his hand.
There are no 'shoulds' in Tartakower's quote.
And SB's example shows that the last mistake can result in a draw.
I can create another example. Player A is winning. He makes a mistake. The position is now equal. He makes another mistake and loses. Victory did not go to the player who made the next-to-last mistake.
Originally posted by SwissGambitSwissGambit, you're getting yourself all worked up and into a closed loop dither spiraling out of control about a quotation focused on winning and losing chess games by a credible author... only a quote
It's hilarious the lengths people will go to justify something that's obviously wrong.
There are no 'shoulds' in Tartakower's quote.
And SB's example shows that the last mistake can result in a draw.
I can create another example. Player A is winning. He makes a mistake. The position is now equal. He makes another mistake and loses. Victory did not go to the player who made the next-to-last mistake.
about a game. Why behave in such an unseemly manner because somebody else holds an opinion contrary to your own? Why throw an emotional tantrum a child might throw over losing a toy or a doll?
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06 Jun 12
Originally posted by Westside Mobster13. ”If the glove does not fit you must acquit.” Johnny Cochran-lawyer (in a statement to the jury, for the defense, in the murder trial of Oranthol Jones Simpson)
12. "Chess holds its master in its own bonds, shackling the mind and brain so that the inner freedom of the very strongest must suffer." Albert Einstein (scientist)
06 Jun 12
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI like debates and arguments, and I stay in them until I'm finished. I enjoy winning arguments and this causes happiness rather than distress. That's just how I roll.
SwissGambit, you're getting yourself all worked up and into a closed loop dither spiraling out of control about a quotation focused on winning and losing chess games by a credible author... only a quote
about a [b]game. Why behave in such an unseemly manner because somebody else holds an opinion contrary to your own? Why throw an emotional tantrum a child might throw over losing a toy or a doll?
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07 Jun 12
Originally posted by Westside Mobster14. ”I came, I saw, I conquered. (veni, vidi, vici)” Gaius Julius Caesar-Roman General (credited with the establishment of the Roman Empire)
13. ”If the glove does not fit you must acquit.” Johnny Cochran-lawyer (in a statement to the jury, for the defense, in the murder trial of Oranthol Jones Simpson)
07 Jun 12
Originally posted by Westside Mobster#59. "A hungry killer whale is a stressed killer whale, a study that analyzes hormone levels in whale poop has found." -Judith Lavoie, Times Colonist, June 7, 2012
14. ”I came, I saw, I conquered. (veni, vidi, vici)” Gaius Julius Caesar-Roman General (credited with the establishment of the Roman Empire)