Dear divegeester

Originally posted by Suzianne
I remember it, I just didn't think it was a big deal, and I certainly don't see how it pertains to your beef with me, whatever that is. As a matter of fact, I don't see how you think I have anything to do with that ancient conversation at all. I asked divegeester a question, so I would hope you'd try to keep from flapping your jaw at me regarding something inconsequential at least until he answers the question.

It's posts of yours like this that make you seem unprincipled sometimes.

Originally posted by divegeester
What are you on about? I'm not dragging anything up whatsoever. In the last couple of days you have made some big claims about yourself in the spirituality forum and then went on to claim that these activities were you leading the "abundant life" of Christ. Now here you are attempting to call me out as being an an enemy of God.

Wow. Talk about paranoid. I would advise you to calm down and try to get a grip on reality.

But, I can see that you are not even going to answer the question. You say, " I'm not dragging anything up whatsoever." And then you drag something up out of another forum. I think I'm done here.

Pretty interesting for someone riding their high horse all the time, calling people who have the audacity to not agree with you unprincipled. And yet you bob and weave and dodge the question with the best of them. So much for your "principles".

Good day, sir.

Originally posted by FMF
It's posts of yours like these that make you seem unprincipled sometimes.

You really don't read what you post, do you?

Originally posted by Suzianne
You really don't read what you post, do you?

Your own handling of James 4:4 ~ like now, trying to land some kind of weird Christian punch on a fellow Christian's nose ~ and your attitude to jospehw's brandishing of it has always struck me as unprincipled, and rather tawdry, stretching way back. I've always said so.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Wow. Talk about paranoid. I would advise you to calm down and try to get a grip on reality.

But, I can see that you are not even going to answer the question. You say, " I'm not dragging anything up whatsoever." And then you drag something up out of another forum. I think I'm done here.

Pretty interesting for someone riding their high horse all t ...[text shortened]... and dodge the question with the best of them. So much for your "principles".

Good day, sir.

Yep run along when youre out of puff or been called out for your hypocrisy yet again.

You should have posted "what" 😵

Originally posted by FMF
So what is James 4:4 about if not about people who are an "enemy of God"?

You quoted it "at" divegeester after he shared a joke with wolfgang59 about Grampy Bobby here on the General Forum.

Show me exactly what I said. Show me the post.

Originally posted by josephw
Show me exactly what I said. Show me the post.

Here's what you said to divegeester: In the thread titled "Why Americans are fat and loud" you joined in with atheist to "insult" another Christian, which is why I made the statement, "you make strange bedfellows" and referenced James 4:4.

wolfgang59 (the atheist you were referring to above) and divegeester were engaged in a bit of banter about Grampy Bobby's proclivity to copy paste.

Originally posted by josephw
Show me exactly what I said. Show me the post.

Are you hoping that he couldn't find it and then you can hide behind the pretence of never having said it?

Originally posted by divegeester
Are you hoping that he couldn't find it and then you can hide behind the pretence of never having said it?

This is the exact quote. I never denied saying it.

"You pick the strangest bedfellows geester. James 4:4"

So, I reread the entire thread to get the whole context. I referenced James 4:4 because, based on the thread content, you joined with GB's detractors making disparaging remarks about a brother. You say you're a Christian but you team up with those that deny Christ and assail a brother.

You're still doing it. This isn't about being friends with unbelievers. I have friends too that don't share the faith, but I don't engage with them in worldly matters that the scriptures clearly define as sin. To the best of my ability.

There are two paths in this world. One is broad, the other narrow. GB is a trusted friend and a good Christian brother. I won't stand idly by and tolerate the character assassinations hurled at him by those that can't stand his posting style or the things he had to say. It was hideous to see.

Believe it or not, it was not my intention to say that you were, or are, an enemy of God when referencing James 4:4. But, since you say you're a Christian, you might want to examine the idea about making a distinction between who is your brother, and those you call friends.

That's all I'm really saying.

Originally posted by josephw
...That's all I'm really saying.

I know exactly what you were saying, we've been over it countless times and each time you try to excuse yourself by using language such as "assailing a brother", when actually all I was doing was joking with Wolfy about GB's ridiculous endless copy/pasting which was annoying many other posters also.

But let's look wider shall we. Let's consider your buddy seitse who repeatedly abused GB in the foulest most disgusting of ways - so bad that the entire forum who read his posts turned on him demanding he take the posts down and apologise. Neither of which he did, despite his claims otherwise. Have you ever even once publically taken this matter up with him? No you haven't, and you have defend his posting even saying recently that you enjoyed his posting style.

My points:
Firstly: I don't care what you say about me, although I find your use of biblical scripture to fire nasty insults to be a low way of scoring points on the Internet. But you carry on, seriously I don't give a damn.

Secondly: I find you to be a cowardly lying hypocrite who is still hiding behind this brittle pretense of offence at me, while swallowing and ignoring and cavorting with the perpetrator of the truly disgusting and abhorrent abuse elsewhere.

Thirdly: your pious pontification about brotherly Christian love and all that other bullshlt you spout makes me sick. If you want to stand up for GB then stand up when it really matters, when the man really needs support. Call out those who abuse him instead of those who moan about his posting. Get some perspective and exercise some principled judgement.

Originally posted by josephw to divegeester
You say you're a Christian but you team up with those that deny Christ and assail a brother. You're still doing it. This isn't about being friends with unbelievers. I have friends too that don't share the faith, but I don't engage with them in worldly matters that the scriptures clearly define as sin.

What "worldly matters" are you claiming divegeester is engaging in? Which of his disagreements or criticisms of Grampy Bobby over the years do you claim "the scriptures clearly define as sin"?

Originally posted by josephw
Believe it or not, it was not my intention to say that you were, or are, an enemy of God when referencing James 4:4.

Oh? So what does the text of James 4:4 say?

Originally posted by josephw

Originally posted by josephw
So, I reread the entire thread to get the whole context.

You mean the entire contents of this Thread 167360?

GB is a trusted friend and a good Christian brother. I won't stand idly by and tolerate the character assassinations hurled at him by those that can't stand his posting style or the things he had to say. It was hideous to see.

In what way did you not "stand idly by and tolerate the character assassinations hurled at him by..." ...Seitse on that thread? You've just said you read the entire thread, right?

Originally posted by josephw
This is the exact quote. I never denied saying it.

[b]"You pick the strangest bedfellows geester. James 4:4"

So, I reread the entire thread to get the whole context. I referenced James 4:4 because, based on the thread content, you joined with GB's detractors making disparaging remarks about a brother. You say you're a Christian but you team up with ...[text shortened]... nction between who is your brother, and those you call friends.

That's all I'm really saying.[/b]

oh my goodness they are not dragging that old boot up from the bottom of the river again are they?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
oh my goodness they are not dragging that old boot up from the bottom of the river again are they?

josephw's peculiarly fulsome endorsement of Seitse's abusive posting style (he called Seitse 'courageous' if I recall correctly) and josephw's refusal tackle him over his comments directed at, or about, Grampy Bobby can hardly be described as something "from the bottom of the river"; it happened only in the last few weeks. 😉