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I think it was a bit more complicated than just making them play each other. I think he was using his "techniques" to get them to play the particular move he needed them to play. If it were that simple chess would be an easy game, there are just to many different possibilities to assume you can get 4 people to play like for like moves in different games.

Obviously, there was a lot of stuff that was missed in the "edit" shown on TV so you do not know how mentally he beat up the weaker player, or what tricks he used to confuse him to the extent he lost. They all believed he was a good player, and you would think that someone of his background would have the necessary skills to be quite good at chess!!!

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no not really because the 4 that played each other were just mirrored moves so he had no way of influencing 8 of the 9 games.
how he knew there would be so many pieces left is the trick.

it would be like me playing bbar and tebb at the same time.
in game 1 tebb is white, so i watch the opening and go 2 game
2 where i am white against bbar. i play tebb's opening and watch bbars response, i then go back to game 1 and play that response.
doing this there is no way i can influence the game. the result will be for me either 2 draws or a win and a loss.

as for the game he won, he could just have as easily used the same trick against him where he uses the strongest player in the group and plays him against that person - i did wonder how he knew he would beat him. now we know (or at least that is what i think).

given the fact he could not influence some of the games it makes it more amazing in the fact he knew the amount of pieces remaining.

unless the whole thing is setup, which it probably is knowing that bloke.

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sorry i am being an idiot.
the last game he has to win by himself, coz he has nobody to mirror the move against. he did say before hand to them that he was a strong player and the last guy was not a gm or fide gm or even a national gm. it just said his name and kings college.

i agree that playing one off against the other will work, but guessing the number of pieces where u cant influence the games does not add up at all.

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sorry latex, just re-resing the posts and see what u saying about using
HIS techniques.
maybe it is me who needs to read the thread carefully....

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I just watched it again
Possibly the other guy was a stooge anybody heard of Robert Chan, President of the Chess Society Kings College London?

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Originally posted by Jay Peatea
I just watched it again
Possibly the other guy was a stooge anybody heard of Robert Chan, President of the Chess Society Kings College London?
JP - http://www.union.ic.ac.uk/rcc/chess/ulu.html

At the start of the show doesn't Derren Brown say that no actors have been used? If one assumes that Robert Chan was a stooge then why not the taxi driver, or the bloke on the 'phone...


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Originally posted by T1000
JP - http://www.union.ic.ac.uk/rcc/chess/ulu.html

At the start of the show doesn't Derren Brown say that no actors have been used? If one assumes that Robert Chan was a stooge then why not the taxi driver, or the bloke on the 'phone...


True indeed.... still all magicians would say something similiar....... plus students always needs some easy cash........... 😕

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i am a sceptic, i think the whole thing is BS.
i mean do u trust any man who puts a loaded gun to his head and pulls the trigger.

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http://www.clubsoc.kclsu.org/chess/

ask him :-)

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