26 Aug 03
Originally posted by StarValleyWyHe gave Adam and Eve a choice (freewill) they could either not listen to him and eat the apple thus being doomed to die and having to work for a living and introducing sin or listen to him and eventually getting to eat that apple and not being doomed to die or anything, but they got curios and with the help of the devil took the apple and ate it before they where supposed to.
I would do better than that. I would have no doubt's whatsoever because if God wants me to believe... i'm going to believe. Don't forget ... he created the universe... that includes me. Right? Why would i not believe? Is there some reason why he would want me to be skeptical? None that i can think of. I would fall down worshiping in a second. It woul ...[text shortened]... nted us to believe, he would have an office in New York or London."
Waiting patiently,
Mike
With this first sin caused other sins to happen and because he gave us freewill we sometimes chose the wrong things (like war and violence and many other sinful things cause suffering and misery). everything that we do has a reaction/consequence we have war, people die, if we are violent other people suffer.
We even have the freewill to choose whether or not to belive in God.
But you are wrong about that God created the Devil, the Devil was an Angel called Lucifer and because he had freewill he thought that he could rule the Kingdom of God, God cast him and his followers out of kingdom of heaven and into the depths of Hell, eternal punishment.
There is an office in New York and London, and almost every city in the world.....its called Church.
no need to wait, I already found it,
Adam
26 Aug 03
Originally posted by UncleAdamWhile i can't agree with any of what you say, I am really happy that you find comfort and happiness in it. I think that the world needs a lot of that and I will not argue your beliefs any more. I have stated my beliefs and you guys have stated yours. Nothing can be gained from further debate because it is not a matter of changing anyones mind. Beliefs are much stronger than that. Better chance of changing the orbit of the earth about the sun.
He gave Adam and Eve a choice (freewill) they could either not listen to him and eat the apple thus being doomed to die and having to work for a living and introducing sin or listen to him and eventually getting to eat that apple and not being doomed to die or anything, but they got curios and with the help of the devil took the apple and ate it before the ...[text shortened]... ost every city in the world.....its called Church.
no need to wait, I already found it,
Adam
Anyway. May we all be kinder, more curious and happy.
Mike
26 Aug 03
Originally posted by StarValleyWyhehe-you wanna bet? a man came up to another man preaching in the street, and he destroyed every single one of his arguments. all of them. he then went home that night, and wondered why so many people-intelligent and learned (and the not so intelligent and learned) beleived all this stuff he had proved wrong. and he became a christain...
While i can't agree with any of what you say, I am really happy that you find comfort and happiness in it. I think that the world needs a lot of that and I will not argue your beliefs any more. I have stated my beliefs and you guys have stated yours. Nothing can be gained from further debate because it is not a matter of changing anyones mind. Beliefs ...[text shortened]... bit of the earth about the sun.
Anyway. May we all be kinder, more curious and happy.
Mike
26 Aug 03
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Originally posted by geniusYou can't persuade someone to believe or not to believe any religion by purely rational means. However, various other means have been employed with great success, particularly by the followers of Christianity and Islam. I'd be interested to hear some of this preacher's better arguments, although I suspect I've heard most of them before.
hehe-you wanna bet? a man came up to another man preaching in the street, and he destroyed every single one of his arguments. all of them. he then went home that night, and wondered why so many people-intelligent and learned (and the not so ...[text shortened]... d all this stuff he had proved wrong. and he became a christain...
27 Aug 03
That is exactly why the "Religion" thread is becoming silly and pointless. The first 150 or so posts contain some fresh material; new viewpoints were put forth, and argued a bit. Now we have people on one camp throwing out rational arguments only to be attacked on grounds questionable from a rational point of view, but totally solid wrt faith. The result is pointless re-iteration from everyone, and a veritable quagmire of rhetoric. I think you know this; you obviously are making stabs at showing how ridiculous this is by chucking Babel fish to their doom in the boiling, frenzied waters of pointlessness that a once-excellent thread has become.