27 Jun 10
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyHarbor your perverse donkey fantasy that we are somehow similar if you must, but, you'll never know me for anything other than what I present myself to be.
Another dimension of similarity... in chess, conversation, romance and business
life we both 'hate' losing more than we love to 'win'. Couple of rented mules.
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27 Jun 10
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Originally posted by Hand of HecateWrong again. We've both taken each others' measure inside/out since 2008. There's more. We both realize that a win/lose
Harbor your perverse donkey fantasy that we are somehow similar if you must, but, you'll never know me for anything other than what I present myself to be.
outcome isn't in the chess or chat cards. Only viable option is common courtesy, mutual respect, civility, a gentleman's draw.
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27 Jun 10
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyAgain, you continue to make assumptions as to what I might consider a viable outcome and what options I may consider in furthering the pursuit of that outcome. Why do you persist in projecting your own values on me?
Wrong again. We've both taken each others' measure inside/out since 2008. There's more. We both realize that a win/lose
outcome isn't in the chess or chat cards. Only viable option is common courtesy, mutual respect, civility, a gentleman's draw.
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Having reached an unstable equillibrium would be more analagous to the situation than your assertion that we've reached a draw. A draw would imply an endpoint.
27 Jun 10
Originally posted by Hand of HecateGood post. I'm certainly not in the 'displace the blame' camp, but I do think there is a strong case for negligence. It is becoming well-established that the kinds of chemical additives necessary to make foods that can sit on the shelf for over a year are likely to blame for the rise of the 'Western diseases'. 'In defense of food' by Michael Pollan is a very good exploration of these issues. My major concern is that the confluence of factors that have caused the drastic rise in
Perhaps there is still common ground. For example, I believe that corporations must be held to standards of quality and safety that minimize their impact upon societ and the environment. While I don't feel that we should all be wearing bark slippers and paper pants I do think that if a corporation is doing something it knows to be negligent, that it ...[text shortened]... ed with an expectation that the individual be responsible for their own actions as well.
obesity are being distilled onto the individual by common perception; that everyone thinks that fat people should just stop eating junk that makes them fat and get off the couch. This caricature point of view has been espoused quite nicely by Trev33 in this thread, and I'm sure many reading it. My point is that it is just not this simple. There are many other factors that have led to this rise in obesity, and many of these factors are beyond the scope of the individual to control. Switching to corn syrup instead of sugar, corn and soy subsidies that make it cheaper to produce ersatz versions of the same 'real' meal that cook in 1/10 of the time and cost 1/5 the price: Until people are REALLY made aware that this is a false economy in the long run, and are REALLY made aware how dangerous these foods are, they will continue to consume them en masse. If the government steps in and puts a price on marketing dangerous foods at criminally low prices, then that will start to redress the balance a bit.
Nice debating with you.
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27 Jun 10
Originally posted by kyngjare you over weight?
obesity are being distilled onto the individual by common perception; that everyone thinks that fat people should just stop eating junk that makes them fat and get off the couch. This caricature point of view has been espoused quite nicely by Trev33 in this thread, and I'm sure many reading it. My point is that it is just not this simple. There are many other ...[text shortened]... ngerous foods at criminally low prices, then that will start to redress the balance a bit.
27 Jun 10
Originally posted by Hand of HecateYou reach ironclad conclusions while I make weak assumptions and project
Again, you continue to make assumptions as to what I might consider a viable outcome and what options I may consider in furthering the pursuit of that outcome. Why do you persist in projecting your own values on me?
Having reached an unstable equillibrium would be more analagous to the situation than your assertion that we've reached a draw. A draw would imply an endpoint.
unshared values. Yep, Hand, I'm equally cool with that assessment as well.
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27 Jun 10
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyOh, your assumptions aren't weak, you appear wholly committed to them and willing to accept them as gospel. This is exactly what irks me about them.
You reach ironclad conclusions while I make weak assumptions and project
unshared values. Yep, Hand, I'm equally cool with that assessment as well.
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I would be lest apt to take objection to your statements if you were making observations about people, places, things or ideas rather than stating them as absolute truth. Rather than expressing an opinion you deliver your thoughts as if they are indisputable. You dismiss objections to your statements out of hand or clutter the discussion with vague and often personal observations that I doubt you understand yourself half the time.
A discussion with you is not unlike running across someone that tells you you're wearing a pink suit and you should really switch to yellow when you're clearly wearing your best pink polka dotted suit. It's quite insane really.
I believe you do this to get a rise out of people like me. Fine, if that's the case, go forth and do your worst, but, don't complain that I'm beating you like the dog you are if you continue to engage me with your idiotic ramblings.
27 Jun 10
Originally posted by Hand of HecateI would suggest taking one Chill Out Pill!
Oh, your assumptions aren't weak, you appear wholly committed to them and willing to accept them as gospel. This is exactly what irks me about them.
I would be lest apt to take objection to your statements if you were making observations about people, places, things or ideas rather than stating them as absolute truth. Rather than expressing an ...[text shortened]... eating you like the dog you are if you continue to engage me with your idiotic ramblings.
You once told me not to take the interwebz or the people so seriously. Perhaps this is a good time for you to take some of your own advice. 😉
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27 Jun 10
Originally posted by kyngjthat depends. if you're over weight, unhappy with it and have tried to reduce your weight to a more healthy level and failed, even with apparently knowing what foods to eat i'd say it has a pretty high bearing on the quality of your argument.
I thought you'd never ask.
My weight has no bearing on the quality of argument I present.
27 Jun 10
Originally posted by kyngjYou're focusing your argument upon "fast foods" as if these are the only food sources available. I'm not going to dispute that a diet solely made up of fast foods is questionable at best. However, surely fatties can take a break from stuffing their jowls with twinkies and make a vegetable stir fry once in a while.
Good post. I'm certainly not in the 'displace the blame' camp, but I do think there is a strong case for negligence. It is becoming well-established that the kinds of chemical additives necessary to make foods that can sit on the shelf for over a year are likely to blame for the rise of the 'Western diseases'. 'In defense of food' by Michael Pollan is a very g ...[text shortened]... prices, then that will start to redress the balance a bit.
Nice debating with you.
I really don't see how anyone in the Western world can be completely ignorant of the dangers of eating foods high in fat, sugars and preservatives. I don't think you can legitimately make the argument that people don't know. A better argument would be that people do what is easy. People are lazy.
With regards to cost, I don't think I'm alone in saying that low cost is the only reason I'd visit a McDonald's. Speed and convenience, yes, cost, not so much. Nonetheless, McDonald's business volume went up dramtically with the downturn in the US economy.
How much control do you really want to relenquish? Give serious thought as to what level of regulation you want to have governing your food sources. There will be a very significant economic impact that eliminating corn products (as one example) from the Western diet. Quick changes, forced by legistlation could cripple an already wounded economy. Better to drive change with the individual. Give them palatable options. Subsidize farmer's markets and natural food grocery stores. Offer grants to restaurantsthat shift their menus voluntarily to offer a larger proportion of 'healthy options'. Driving change with the club of legistlation is often less effective that leading it with the carrot of a subsidy.
Plus, how many stupid, fat, lazy people do you really want to save? We should really be rendering them down to make biodiesel. Before switching to pure vegetable oil in 1990, the McDonald's corporation cooked its french fries in a mixture of 93% beef tallow and 7% cottonseed oil. There would be something poetic about returning to this formula 93% Fatty McFat Fat American tallow and 7% cottonseed oil.