Girlfriends for Idiots.

Originally posted by Remora91
Lol. Not exactly how I wanted that to come out.

Originally posted by kirksey957
Forget everything that has been said up until now. Zach , I'm gonna lead you right. First things first. At your age it's all practice. Have fun. Now the key to all this that no one else has commented on is the daddy. Now since I'm a daddy with a soon to be teenage daughter, I'm sitting here thinking "what would impress me?" You're an eagle s ...[text shortened]... just move on to another cheerleader. Keep us posted, Zach. Again, remember it's all practice.

Humour.
That's the way to go!
Unless you look like Johnny Depp and sweat pure pheramone-A, you're gonna have to be funny.

You also want to make your intentions clear from the start. Don't try to be friends. That's only gonna come back and bite you in the most unpleasant of ways. There's nothing worse than a girl eventually telling you: "Of course I love you. I love you like a brother." Just don't go there friend!
The time-line isn't important. So, you don't want to make her think you want to get into her knickers that very same night. But make it absolutely unmistakable than you want more from her than civilised conversation.

Next thing you need to remember is that you don't want to be pushy. Obviously no=no, but I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about that once you've made your inentions clear, you shut up about it. Don't mention it again! She will probably not be a retard or a dog, so she doesn't need the message constantly repeated.

It will go two ways. Either she accepts your intentions and you see if it clicks, of she doesn't and that's the end of the story. DO NOT EVER get yourself in the: "We can just be friends" trap. Don't do it my friend. And yes...the "We can be friends for now and see where it goes." is EXACTLY THE SAME.
If she should say something along either of these lines, you really have to say: "If I wanted a friend you'd be a boy and if I wanted a platonic relationship, I'd be a priest." Turn around and walk away. Don't go near it...I'm warning you...turn around and exit the room.

So now you know your plan, all you need is an opening. Of course you could come away with one of the great classics like: "You've got such beautiful eyes." or "You're one in a million girl." But you'll probably be answered with: "I wish I could say the same about you." or "So are your chances buddy." DON'T GO THERE!!!

I'll let you in on two wee secrets about humans:
1. EVERYBODY is insecure about the way they look and act in various situations.
2. EVERYBODY is dealing with the here and now.

You know what, I'll let you in on a third:
3. NOBODY really finds the weather interesting.

So, now you are all set.

What's she doing? Right now. Right where you and her are at at that moment in time?
That's gonna be your subject. See. It's as simple as that.
Say she's walking a dog...

Comment on her dog or about how you used to have one. You could say something like: "That's a nice dog. What sort is it. Oh is it? My gran used to have a dog that looked a little like yours. It got run over by a lorry though. It ended up having two wheels attached to it's hind-thighs...Became a movie star. Seriously. Did you ever see Babe..pig in the city....blah blah blah..."
See. Fascinating...nobody could withstand such a chat up line.

Say she's reading in a library. Pick up the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy and open the page where they're describing how humans can fly (basically throw yourself to the floor and forget to hit the ground). Make sure she sees you and look at her. Stumble over a chair whilst you are staring at her and smack the floor. Get up, look like you are all ashamed and say: "It's funny...I was just reading about learning to fly..." go over and point out what you were just reading....

Works all the time.

Originally posted by shavixmir
Humour.
That's the way to go!
Unless you look like Johnny Depp and sweat pure pheramone-A, you're gonna have to be funny.

You also want to make your intentions clear from the start. Don't try to be friends. That's only gonna come back and bite you in the most unpleasant of ways. There's nothing worse than a girl eventually telling you: "Of cou ...[text shortened]... fly..." go over and point out what you were just reading....

Works all the time.

Originally posted by elvendreamgirl
Aren't all women girlfriends for idiots? lol just kidding!!!!!

Originally posted by shavixmir
NOBODY really finds the weather interesting.

Originally posted by Acolyte
What if you're trying to ask out a meteorologist? Actually no, talking about the weather would still be a bad idea, come to think of it.

Originally posted by shavixmir
So now you know your plan, all you need is an opening. Of course you could come away with one of the great classics like: "You've got such beautiful eyes." or "You're one in a million girl." But you'll probably be answered with: "I wish I could say the same about you." or "So are your chances buddy." DON'T GO THERE!!!

Originally posted by Remora91
Heh. Another reason why guys shouldn't comment on girls eyes: they rarely look at them before they say that.

My friend Robyn once had a boy say that to her. She closed her eyes and asked him what color they were. He just stood there saying that he couldn't see them too well because the lights were shining in her eyes. She was so POed...

Originally posted by Acolyte
That's not so bad - it took me a while to consistently remember what colour my own eyes are. They're a kind of grotty grey-green, which isn't especially striking.

Originally posted by elvendreamgirl
meat a girl???

Originally posted by shavixmir
Humour.
That's the way to go!
Unless you look like Johnny Depp and sweat pure pheramone-A, you're gonna have to be funny.

You also want to make your intentions clear from the start. Don't try to be friends. That's only gonna come back and bite you in the most unpleasant of ways. There's nothing worse than a girl eventually telling you: "Of cou ...[text shortened]... fly..." go over and point out what you were just reading....

Works all the time.

(first of all, sorry to my opponents for writing in the forum but moving slowly!)

There has been some good advice here... but a lot of... well, to put it diplomatically, not so good advice.

The first thing you have to remember is that if this girl is attractive and/or popular she's likely being approached all the time by boys with the same tired old approaches, the same attempts at flattery, the same attempts to "look cool" in front of her. At around 13 (which I think is the age of the girl being discussed here), she's already probably getting a lot of attention. Looking for a sure-fire, can't-miss opening with a girl is about as useless as reading a chess book that promises a quick win in the opening with little prep. It'll get you nowhere. Even an average looking girl with no personality gets hit on all the time.

You have to act natural. Unless the girl is immediately attracted to you by your looks or charm, she's going to be turned off by another guy trying to work some cliche formula on her. But if you approach her naturally, comfortably, and show her that you're interested in her beyond just looks, it'll make her feel more at ease. Unless she's shallow -- and if that's the kind of girl you want -- she's going to want someone she can trust, someone who isn't trying to play some kind of game with her. And if all you care about IS her appearance, well, you're not going to get very far with most girls.

I'm sure everyone has seen attractive, intelligent (not shallow) girls with less attractive men. The one thing you'll notice about those not-so-attractive men with the pretty girls is that they don't treat the girls like goddesses, they treat them with respect, make them feel good about themselves. Sure, if you're rich (or, in high school terms let's say, a star athlete) or handsome, you can get a good looking bimbo -- but I hope that's not what you want.

I've only very quickly read through the comments (I have limited time on the internet) and sometimes I don't know from the name if the writer is a male or female. But if my nickname isn't an indication, I'm female and I get the sense that some of the advice you're getting is from men who don't understand women in general. Some of them, like Kirksey, are sensible, some just seem to be a little bitter and want to vent their anger over being rejected before (and I don't hold that against them -- I know that girls can be very, very cruel). What you should do is find a female friend who can give you some insight into how a girl thinks. I'd offer more advice, but I'm running out of time and I don't know enough about the girl to say what's exactly right in this case.

Sarah

Originally posted by shavixmir
"We can be friends for now and see where it goes." is EXACTLY THE SAME.

Originally posted by zach918
This is the best piece of advice I've heard throughout this whole thread 🙂 Rec for you 😀

But...um...I'm not sure there is a dad around. How do I go about asking about that?