Happy Verterans Day..if you have a home

Originally posted by cheshirecatstevens
Unfortunately this thread is both nonsense and useful. There hasn't been a single citation in any of the post, and all these arguments are passion driven. The good side is it sparked a debate as to how or why people are homeless. The only credible facts in this thread is that the U.S. has homeless people. How many? Nobody can know. I was just read ...[text shortened]... dmittedly "mis-quoted" read inflated the actual numbers to make the issue more media notable.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iYnszzVzBGsnZ2wksP-S2d6ocwwwD8SP8O1O0

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/08/homeless.veterans/index.html

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/national/20071108_Study__25__of_U_S__homeless_are_veterans.html


http://www.nchv.org/background.cfm

http://www.nchv.org/background.cfm#facts

Originally posted by Great Big Stees
Or we could ask the Canadian government to hold an inquiry.

Or we could just tell all the losers to take responsiblity for themselves and stop blaming the system for how screwed up they are.

Originally posted by smw6869
May want to read the book, "Long Time Passing," to get some insight into what it's like to kill for your country, see your friends die for their country and get spit on when you return by an ungrateful suckass Nation.

Granny.

Nobody here cares. Seriously.

Originally posted by smw6869
May want to read the book, "Long Time Passing," to get some insight into what it's like to kill for your country, see your friends die for their country and get spit on when you return by an ungrateful suckass Nation.

Granny.

Splinter Cell works for me.

Originally posted by Sam The Sham
That doesn't sound right, got a link supporting that statistic? I don't doubt that there's a large percentage that CLAIM to be war veterans, it's always good for some sympathy change.

Check out the Veteran Administration records. It should help you find what you need to know.

Originally posted by Red Night
http://www.nchv.org/background.cfm#facts

Veterans make up 11% of the population and 23% of the homeless population.

47% of homeless vets are vietnam era vets and 76% of homeless vets have drug, alcohol, or mental health problems.

Wait. According to the stats on that site, only one-third of the vets were stationed in a war zone, and*about 20% of veterans in prison reported seeing combat duty during their military service.* That means that 2/3 of the homeless vets were NOT stationed in a war zone, and 80% of incarcerated vets did NOT see combat duty.

Originally posted by Green Paladin
I've heard that more veterans committed suicide after Vietnam than died in conflict. Is this just rubbish?

There are different kinds of soldiers, those who experiance combat and those who don't. Those who do many times with exceptions have a hard time coping with what they saw and did. there is an unbelievable amount of stress put on these (expendiable combat soldiers) Many days of almost no sleep in horrible conditions. Unless you have actually experienced it, it can be hard to describe. Excessive heat and rain, physically tiring marches where every step you take could be your last, just like the buddy who was just standing next to you. Your feet swelling from being wet and rotting off of you and still you march forward. You are totally galded because you haven been able to shower in days. Sometimes the water you have to drink is so bad, even with purification tablets you can get diarrhea and still you march forward. Every nerve you have is on edge and some meat head is barking orders at you to do more. And at night when you should be sleeping suddenly you are under attack, and many times even in battle you do fall asleep not by choice but because your body and mind just can't take any more. It is not always like that, but many times a hero becomes a hero because he is broken down to the point of being out of his or her mind from exhaustion, which is like a drug. Some Veterans were drafted right out of high school, and when they returned wanted to finish their education, but found it was up to the high school principal whether or not he would allow them to test for a GED so they could go to college. Many were refused that privilege even after defending their Country. Many people came down with medical problems from the war not only from battle but from things such as Agent Orange. Like I said there are soldiers who fought in battle and those who played soldier in an office somewhere. I find the ones who claimed to be a veteran who spent their time in the military in some back office have the least compassion for the boots. They always did, even while there. But always ready to except pats on the back for what the boots had to endure. Like I've always said, people will laugh and taunt, but I hope they never have to experience what happens in battle. Hollywood and even the military paints a very different picture than what it really is, and for each soldier it can be very different. God bless all the Veterans, even the homeless ones.

Originally posted by cashthetrash
There are different kinds of soldiers, those who experiance combat and those who don't. Those who do many times with exceptions have a hard time coping with what they saw and did. there is an unbelievable amount of stress put on these (expendiable combat soldiers) Many days of almost no sleep in horrible conditions. Unless you have actually experienced ...[text shortened]... or each soldier it can be very different. God bless all the Veterans, even the homeless ones.

Thank you Cash.

Originally posted by Crowley
Nobody here cares. Seriously.

You are right, I doubt anyone from South Africa cares unless they are Americans.

Originally posted by Red Night
Thank you Cash.

Glad to be of Service.

Originally posted by cashthetrash
There are different kinds of soldiers, those who experiance combat and those who don't. Those who do many times with exceptions have a hard time coping with what they saw and did. there is an unbelievable amount of stress put on these (expendiable combat soldiers) Many days of almost no sleep in horrible conditions. Unless you have actually experienced ...[text shortened]... or each soldier it can be very different. God bless all the Veterans, even the homeless ones.

Where is the laughing and taunting? Is that in some other thread? What I see in this one is a variety of opinions and discussion based on both the data and people's personal experience.

Originally posted by badmoon
As the USA celebrates it's Veterans Day, one must keep in mind that approx. 25% of US homeless are war verterans.

And let me guess..... its President Bush's fault.....

Originally posted by pawnhandler
Where is the laughing and taunting? Is that in some other thread? What I see in this one is a variety of opinions and discussion based on both the data and people's personal experience.

I wasn't talking about laughing and taunting in this or any other thread. I was just speaking of what Soldiers have had to endure in the past and even in the present from people who oppose war and or Americans. Although I myself oppose war except as a last resort, and sometimes debate things pertaining to it, I won't disrespect the soldier himself for his call to duty. If he is a total a nut who needs to be locked up. I might disagree with him, but will still respect him.

Originally posted by SMSBear716
And let me guess..... its President Bush's fault.....

No, it's the idiots who put him in office. 😛
It is getting harder and harder to find anyone who will actually admit they had a hand in it.

Originally posted by cashthetrash
No, it's the idiots who put him in office. 😛
It is getting harder and harder to find anyone who will actually admit they had a hand in it.

I voted for him twice..... would even do it again, considering the alternatives.