04 Mar 08
Originally posted by MexicoIt's kind of like rooting for your favorite football team even though they suck, but maybe they'll turn it around. Dat's what i thinks.
Personally I find the Idea of patriotism slightly ridiculous.... What exactly are people proud of... Being born somewhere?
But as long as your happy I don't matter.....
Granny.
04 Mar 08
Originally posted by leisurelyslothYou encourage me with your commonsense and instinctive refusal
I would think that if you live some place nice, then a healthy respect for the people who made (and are currently making) it nice is only right. A sense of respect and admiration for those who sacrificed their time, hard work, and even their lives to make it so seems VERY appropriate. In my opinion, it would be rather ungrateful to feel no sense of patriatism.
to take the many privileges and good things we enjoy for granted.
Thanks. -gb
04 Mar 08
Originally posted by MexicoMexico, nicely phrased. 'Nationalism' is such a key concept... one of the divine establishment principles along with family, marriage and
Oh don't get me wrong I'm all for the people who put the time in to make my country..... But personally I didn't do all that much (as of yet maybe I will someday) to make it the way it is, so maybe what I'm saying is nationalism rather than patriotism? My point is that most people who are "patriotic" have done little if anything to shape their country, so what have they got to be proud of?.
volition (free will). There's no spiritual connotation to any of them, as they are all part of the freedom code along with Codex #3 (the ten
commandments). Sole purpose is to preserve and perpetuate the human race despite mankind's inclination to self destruction. -gb
04 Mar 08
Originally posted by leisurelyslothI have a lot of respect for the people who founded my country, and the principles they based it on. Am I proud of them? No. Pride would imply that I had something to do with it. Do I admire their accomplishments? Yes.
I would think that if you live some place nice, then a healthy respect for the people who made (and are currently making) it nice is only right. A sense of respect and admiration for those who sacrificed their time, hard work, and even their lives to make it so seems VERY appropriate. In my opinion, it would be rather ungrateful to feel no sense of patriatism.
That said, all those people are long gone. I feel no connection to someone else just because he/she says "I'm an American". Most people are idiots. The vast majority of people who are currently in office are doing what they do out of self-interest. Nothing wrong with that, but let's not make them out to be saints.
04 Mar 08
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Originally posted by WoodgieWood, in your most lucid moments of objectivity you must be aware of the limitations of overly simplistic/linear debater's technique questions.
So you would put patriotism before your family?
Appreciation of and patriotism toward a strong national entity (which adheres to the principle of freedom through military victory), along with
strict constructionist judges on the bench and well trained and armed policemen on the street, which protect my family and friends from
dangers within and without, make consumate sense. Think circular. All three are held sacred... along with a few others. #1 is omitted.
All the best to you and your family, Bobby 🙂
04 Mar 08
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyIs that a yes or no?
Wood, in your most lucid moments of objectivity you must be aware of the limitations of overly simplistic/linear debater's technique questions.
Appreciation of and patriotism toward a strong national entity (which adheres to the principle of freedom through military victory), along with
strict constructionist judges on the bench and well trained a ...[text shortened]... d... along with a few others. #1 is omitted.
All the best to you and your family, Bobby 🙂
All the best to your family also.
Edit: Humour me.
04 Mar 08
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyAren't people in Canada relatively free and safe? Doesn't England have fair-minded judges...a reasonably well-trained police force? What is it about the American versions of these relatively common attributes of Western Civilization that makes you so proud?
Wood, in your most lucid moments of objectivity you must be aware of the limitations of overly simplistic/linear debater's technique questions.
Appreciation of and patriotism toward a strong national entity (which adheres to the principle of freedom through military victory), along with
strict constructionist judges on the bench and well trained a ...[text shortened]... d... along with a few others. #1 is omitted.
All the best to you and your family, Bobby 🙂
04 Mar 08
Originally posted by WoodgieAnswer is yes... one to protect, the other the object of that protection. Drop the conflict addiction and you'll be able to parse it.
Is that a yes or no?
All the best to your family also.
Edit: Humour me.
You really picked the wrong guy to mess with if you're itching for a fight. Sorry to disappoint. -gb
04 Mar 08
Originally posted by rbmorrisYou misread my point, RB. I'm encouraged by and proud of all western hemisphere and other countries (including the staunch
Aren't people in Canada relatively free and safe? Doesn't England have fair-minded judges...a reasonably well-trained police force? What is it about the American versions of these relatively common attributes of Western Civilization that makes you so proud?
leadership of Australia) that promote stability, civilization and personal freedom. USA just happens to be my country of birth.
-Bobby
05 Mar 08
Life is sacred to me. Granted, there are people who should not be allowed to live, but life of all forms should be protected un less it is required for survival to eliminate it. Self defense, food source, threat to lives of others. I regret all the life I have taken unnecessarily in my life time. But in all truth it took nearly all my life to realize this.
05 Mar 08
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Originally posted by Evil Pawn 666The shalt not kill is a poor traslation from the Hebrew. OT says in the inspired language of the original, "Thou shalt not murder." Capital punishment
Life is sacred to me. Granted, there are people who should not be allowed to live, but life of all forms should be protected un less it is required for survival to eliminate it. Self defense, food source, threat to lives of others. I regret all the life I have taken unnecessarily in my life time. But in all truth it took nearly all my life to realize this.
and killing enemies of freedom in war are totally in line with the justice of God and divine establishment principles. Animals are part of the food chain.
So relax EP. Above all avoid the worst trips in the world... self or third party imposed guilt trips. Life is much, much too short. -Bobby 🙂
05 Mar 08
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyThere is no way to justify the taking of another human life. All lives are sacred. I disagree 100% with capital punishment actually, an eye for an eye although seeming just to those directly affected makes us no better than the people we're supposedly punishing. Besides I'd rather see a criminal who's done something that bad against me or my family rot in a Jail cell for the rest of his life... Just a personal perspective.
The shalt not kill is a poor traslation from the Hebrew. OT says in the inspired language of the original, "Thou shalt not murder." Capital punishment
and killing enemies of freedom in war are totally in line with the justice of God and divine establishment principles. Animals are part of the food chain.
So relax EP. Above all avoid the worst t ...[text shortened]... the world... self or third party imposed guilt trips. Life is much, much too short. -Bobby 🙂
Also there's no such thing as a Just war. Don't get me wrong I've nothing but respect for (most of) the soldiers who fight on any side of any war. But no war can ever be called just. None of those people should ever have to enter a situation where their lives are expendable just to make a living.