05 Mar 08
Originally posted by leisurelyslothI don't think that has much to do with patriotism, at least not any definition of patriotism I have heard of. I have respect for any people making the world a better place, no matter what country they belong to. And in my case, the country I live in isn't even my country of origin or citizenship.
I would think that if you live some place nice, then a healthy respect for the people who made (and are currently making) it nice is only right. A sense of respect and admiration for those who sacrificed their time, hard work, and even their lives to make it so seems VERY appropriate. In my opinion, it would be rather ungrateful to feel no sense of patriatism.
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Gives patriotism me the right to say "I am better than you!", because of the place I am born?
Gives racism me the right to say "I am better than you!", because of my skin colour?
Gives sexism me the right to say "I am better than you!", because of my gender?
Gives religion me the right to say "I am better than you!", because of my religious beliefs?
And generally: Gives *** me the right to say "I am better than you!", because of my ***?
I would say that the questions above have the same answer, all of them.
05 Mar 08
Originally posted by Nordlyshttp://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/patriotism
I don't think that has much to do with patriotism, at least not any definition of patriotism I have heard of. I have respect for any people making the world a better place, no matter what country they belong to. And in my case, the country I live in isn't even my country of origin or citizenship.
patriotism: love for or devotion to one's country
What else is it that would cause one to feel love or devotion for one's country? I would think it is those things about the country which one perceived as being good or great, as well as that which has made it great... ...perhaps the people who have strived to lift it up to such great heights. It seems like a logical train of thought to me. What would you prefer?
If you live there, then I don't think it out of the question that you could perceive it as "your" country and feel a sense of patriotism towards it. Whether or not the locals would agree with your perception is another question.
05 Mar 08
Originally posted by FabianFnasJust because a word ends in "ism" doesn't imply that it shares a common definition with "racism".
Gives patriotism me the right to say "I am better than you!", because of the place I am born?
Gives racism me the right to say "I am better than you!", because of my skin colour?
Gives sexism me the right to say "I am better than you!", because of my gender?
Gives religion me the right to say "I am better than you!", because of my religious beliefs?
A ...[text shortened]... of my ***?
I would say that the questions above have the same answer, all of them.
Gives dwarfism me the right to say "I am better than you!" because I am shorter?
It's a completely silly argument, by misconstruing the definition of the words to mean what you want them to mean rather than what the plain definition implies.
patriotism: love for or devotion to one's country
No place in that definition does it say that loving your country implies hating other countries. Would loving your girlfriend imply that you hate all other women?
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Originally posted by leisurelyslothJust because a word ends in "ism" doesn't imply that it shares a common definition with "racism".
Just because a word ends in "ism" doesn't imply that it shares a common definition with "racism".
Gives dwarfism me the right to say "I am better than you!" because I am shorter?
It's a completely silly argument, by misconstruing the definition of the words to mean what you want them to mean rather than what the plain definition implies.
patr ing other countries. Would loving your girlfriend imply that you hate all other women?
Haven't said that.
Gives dwarfism me the right to say "I am better than you!" because I am shorter?
Same answer as the other questions. And the answer is "no" if I must spell it out.
It's a completely silly argument, by misconstruing the definition of the words to mean what you want them to mean rather than what the plain definition implies.
Something makes you angry and I don't understand what.
patriotism: love for or devotion to one's country
Some says that the system of their country is so much better than the system of anothers that it is worth to show them what's right, even if it has to be by a war. 'Bomb them to peace...'.
I think that nations that use war most are the ones most patriotic.
I think that nations that are most patriotic are most at wars.
No place in that definition does it say that loving your country implies hating other countries. Would loving your girlfriend imply that you hate all other women?
Never said that either.
05 Mar 08
Originally posted by FabianFnasLOL! If I were angry you'd know! I think we can, or at least ought to be able to disagree on this without being accused of being "angry".
Something makes you angry and I don't understand what.
It seemed pretty clear, at least to me, that you were drawing a parallel between patriotism and racism, and I completely disagree with that notion. While racism is generally thought of as being opposed to or having negative feelings towards another race, there is no particular reason why patriotism should be considered as opposed to other nations. It could be the case, but I would NOT think that was part of the normal definition of the word.
05 Mar 08
Originally posted by FabianFnasPlace of birth does not make someone better than someone else, though in many instances... better off. Skin, gender, beliefs, ***,
Gives patriotism me the right to say "I am better than you!", because of the place I am born?
Gives racism me the right to say "I am better than you!", because of my skin colour?
Gives sexism me the right to say "I am better than you!", because of my gender?
Gives religion me the right to say "I am better than you!", because of my religious beliefs?
A ...[text shortened]... of my ***?
I would say that the questions above have the same answer, all of them.
etc., often become the false basis of discrimination as the result of ethnocentric phobias, arrogant rigidities and unbridled superiority
complexes. This unfortunate and deviant type of thinking/conduct clearly poses a frontal assault to the personal freedom principles
of 'live and let live' and 'to each his own' (suum cuique). -gb
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyMy apologies if you think I was itching for a fight.
Answer is yes... one to protect, the other the object of that protection. Drop the conflict addiction and you'll be able to parse it.
You really picked the wrong guy to mess with if you're itching for a fight. Sorry to disappoint. -gb
Edit: I think I understand your reasons.
06 Mar 08
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Originally posted by leisurelyslothOkay, sorry for thinking you were angry...
LOL! If I were angry you'd know! I think we can, or at least ought to be able to disagree on this without being accused of being "angry".
It seemed pretty clear, at least to me, that you were drawing a parallel between patriotism and racism, and I completely disagree with that notion. While racism is generally thought of as being opposed to or h ...[text shortened]... could be the case, but I would NOT think that was part of the normal definition of the word.
But my posting seems to be hot for some people. Emotions are stirred.
Patriotism is a base for nationalism. A nationalist is often a patriot.
Nationalism is a base for racism. A racist is often a nationalist.
So patriotism, nationalism, and racism are levels. They are not the same, I agree, but levels from something people often refer as good to bad in a scale.