06 Nov 08
Originally posted by SuzianneSo, the Democrats sat by while the Republicans gutted the banking system? What? It seems to me that both sides were perfectly happy living is blissful ignorance while things were going well. If checks and balances were in place while all of this was quietly going down hill, then they obviously didn't work.
The checks and balances were firmly in place when the republicans gutted the regulations in the banking industry, causing our current financial problems. Checks and balances are not the "end all, be all" you assume them to be. The republicans have obstructed any work being done in the House for the last two years. What we're seeing now is the checks and ...[text shortened]... take them out of office and replace them with people who aren't afraid to get the job done.
Nothing happened the last 8 years, pretty much. We suddenly turned into the nation of 4 general hobbies: Suing people, getting fat, baseball, and filibusters, the last being the important one. Worked both ways. First 6 years nothing got done, last two years, nothing got done.
I'm not saying I support Republicans, but I certainly don't think that everything is their fault.
To sum up: Checks and balances only work when they're being used on Republicans, or rather, should only be used on Republicans, congress will now be awesome because we have a Democratic President, and our economy will get its guts back because of all of that.
Our government is retarded, and there's no fix that I can see working other than going Commy for a year or two, to get people to actually care.
Thank goodness the Republicans have gotten crushed that last two election cycles. They can't possibly be held accountable (as accountable, anywho) now if something goes wrong.
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I hope Obama can pull it off.
06 Nov 08
Originally posted by GalaxyShieldA bit harsh (just a bit) but I see your points. Well said.
So, the Democrats sat by while the Republicans gutted the banking system? What? It seems to me that both sides were perfectly happy living is blissful ignorance while things were going well. If checks and balances were in place while all of this was quietly going down hill, then they obviously didn't work.
Nothing happened the last 8 years, pretty m ...[text shortened]... accountable, anywho) now if something goes wrong.
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I hope Obama can pull it off.
Bottom line: We shall see what happens, and yeah, it's time to put up or shut up. Godspeed, Mr. Obama.
06 Nov 08
Originally posted by SuzianneSorry. I don't mean to be harsh, but I mean, we're in a mess, so emotions run a bit high.
A bit harsh (just a bit) but I see your points. Well said.
Bottom line: We shall see what happens, and yeah, it's time to put up or shut up. Godspeed, Mr. Obama.
I think all political decisions should be made by using a Rock 'em Sock 'em robots match. What could be more perfect? Red v. Blue, punching, betting (helps the economy), and eventually, somebodies head pops off.
06 Nov 08
Originally posted by GalaxyShieldlol! I like it!
Sorry. I don't mean to be harsh, but I mean, we're in a mess, so emotions run a bit high.
I think all political decisions should be made by using a Rock 'em Sock 'em robots match. What could be more perfect? Red v. Blue, punching, betting (helps the economy), and eventually, somebodies head pops off.
07 Nov 08
Originally posted by SuzianneBe careful what you wish for, Suzi. You just might get it.
The checks and balances were firmly in place when the republicans gutted the regulations in the banking industry, causing our current financial problems. Checks and balances are not the "end all, be all" you assume them to be. The republicans have obstructed any work being done in the House for the last two years. What we're seeing now is the checks and ...[text shortened]... take them out of office and replace them with people who aren't afraid to get the job done.
The last time we were in a situation similar to this, the country turned over the reins to FDR, who was given essentially unchecked power. As a result he managed to turn a very bad recesssion into a Great Depression. We're still suffering the effects of his bad policy decisions.
Fannie Mae, which recently lead the way in kicking the American economy to the curb... ...guess what? That was one of FDR's New Deal screwups. We're still suffering for that one.
Social Security, the world's biggest Ponzi scheme, which threatens to bankrupt the entire nation in the near future... ...again, another of FDR's New Deal programs.
Welfare farming and governmental interference in which crops are grown and in what amounts... ...again a New Deal deal....
Unchecked power by either party is not a good thing. Be damned glad that the Dems didn't get their 60 seats in the senate!
07 Nov 08
Originally posted by SuzianneOn several occasions in the past century one party has ruled all three branches of government. Whether Rep or Dem, results have been disastrous.
The checks and balances were firmly in place when the republicans gutted the regulations in the banking industry, causing our current financial problems. Checks and balances are not the "end all, be all" you assume them to be. The republicans have obstructed any work being done in the House for the last two years. What we're seeing now is the checks and ...[text shortened]... take them out of office and replace them with people who aren't afraid to get the job done.
07 Nov 08
Originally posted by leisurelysloth😉
Be careful what you wish for, Suzi. You just might get it.
The last time we were in a situation similar to this, the country turned over the reins to FDR, who was given essentially unchecked power. As a result he managed to turn a very bad recesssion into a Great Depression. We're still suffering the effects of his bad policy decisions.
Fanni ...[text shortened]... s not a good thing. Be damned glad that the Dems didn't get their 60 seats in the senate!
07 Nov 08
Originally posted by leisurelyslothYou've heard me speak on this before.
Be careful what you wish for, Suzi. You just might get it.
The last time we were in a situation similar to this, the country turned over the reins to FDR, who was given essentially unchecked power. As a result he managed to turn a very bad recesssion into a Great Depression. We're still suffering the effects of his bad policy decisions.
Fanni ...[text shortened]... s not a good thing. Be damned glad that the Dems didn't get their 60 seats in the senate!
It's not the government programs which are bad per se. In fact, more government would be good, especially in times of crisis. The New Deal programs brought us out of the pit called the Great Depression with compassion and empathy, and paved the way for the post-war boom for the middle class. Bigger government, while temporarily costing more, can be very efficient at raising the standard of living for ALL Americans (not just a few who are already rich) in times of fiscal distress. The key is knowing when to shrink government back down before the greed merchants get their claws into it.
07 Nov 08
Originally posted by SuzianneI would argue that the New Deal programs actually dug the pit (or at least made it substantially deeper), and it was the war and the jobs/industry created by the war effort that actually got us out of the Great Depression.
You've heard me speak on this before.
It's not the government programs which are bad per se. In fact, more government would be good, especially in times of crisis. The New Deal programs brought us out of the pit called the Great Depression with compassion and empathy, and paved the way for the post-war boom for the middle class. Bigger government, whi ...[text shortened]... nowing when to shrink government back down before the greed merchants get their claws into it.
07 Nov 08
Originally posted by pawnhandlerWhere did grampy bobby come into this? That has nothing to do with what was said in regards to the citizenshp of G.W. Bush. Last I checked, that name is nothing more than an avatar name. Besides, don't steal other peoples burns. It only makes you look like you aren't bright enough to think one up on your own.
So is Grampy Bobby. You might want to check your facts before you try to run with the big boys.
08 Nov 08
Originally posted by Shoskavitch*shaking head*
Where did grampy bobby come into this? That has nothing to do with what was said in regards to the citizenshp of G.W. Bush. Last I checked, that name is nothing more than an avatar name. Besides, don't steal other peoples burns. It only makes you look like you aren't bright enough to think one up on your own.
Follow along:
Grampy Bobby makes a post.
rbmorris replies to post, making reference to state which both GB and GWBush hail from.
You replied with a comment that indicated you did not understand the reference/connection.
I pointed out the connection, and used your own words since you seemed to think that's an appropriate way to respond to someone. I had no need to "think up one" on my own because I don't generally go around insulting people when I don't understand their reference.
08 Nov 08
Originally posted by pawnhandlerPawnhandler, where in the world have you been? Are you doing okay? Pawnfondler's presence on this thread may have possibly become
*shaking head*
Follow along:
Grampy Bobby makes a post.
rbmorris replies to post, making reference to state which both GB and GWBush hail from.
You replied with a comment that indicated you did not understand the reference/connection.
I pointed out the connection, and used your own words since you seemed to think that's an appropriate wa ...[text shortened]... cause I don't generally go around insulting people when I don't understand their reference.
confusing for some. Tiny correction: born and raised in MA and later a six year TX resident. Thank you again for helping with my avatar.
-Bobby
