Intelligence Ladder

Originally posted by uzless
"Officer Palynka...I thought you said you never wanted to come back here"

Nope. I just said there was no point in continuing because my first point was enough.

Since you haven't answered even my first point, I was right. Again.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
I think he's trying to say "both".

There were no columns, and the two things I asked about were mutually exclusive. 😕

Originally posted by Korch
Your will can make you believe to everything 🙂

Yes, Korch, believe and/or reject everything or anything... whether true or false. Best kept critical secrets in human history

are (1) That the free will excercise of volition is the whole chess game or ball game and (2) That human history is nothing

more or less than the strategic critical prelude to the main show, the permanent archives of soul life for eternity.

You nailed the primacy of human will issue. And protocol rules prohibit moves back as well as clever j'adoubes.


-gb

Originally posted by Korch
Your will can make you believe to everything 🙂

I don't believe (😉) that. I wouldn't be able to believe something that my mind tells me to be extremely unlikely or impossible, no matter how much I might want to believe it.

Originally posted by uzless
I prefer Bowmann's

Please predicate your remark, Uzless. You prefer Bowmann's... what?

Originally posted by Nordlys
I don't believe (😉) that. I wouldn't be able to believe something that my mind tells me to be extremely unlikely or impossible, no matter how much I might want to believe it.

Nordlys, as previously posted... Truth is often difficult to embrace because of the unlearning challenge, because it's an aquired taste which

understandably seems bitter at first and because in the darkness absolute "Truth never seems true." Reject truth, and the vacuum created

indiscriminately sucks in any or all things convenient and counterfeit. Sadly, the higher our intelligence the greater our capacity for self deception.


-Bobby



Edit: Still can take it to the bank... Desire to know the truth and the truth shall set
you free (free from bondage to self deception, ignorance and falsehood).

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Uzless, quote lifted with permission from my buddy Moeski. Please see his

profile. If or when you get there, maybe stay awhile to ponder the insight.


-gb

I can't believe it's true. Moeski hasn't moved in the last 121 days? Can't be true!

Granny.

Originally posted by smw6869
I can't believe it's true. Moeski hasn't moved in the last 121 days? Can't be true!

Granny.

Yes, true. Extended sabbatical for a very fine reason you would appreciate. 🙂

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Nordlys, as previously posted... Truth is often difficult to embrace because of the unlearning challenge, because it's an aquired taste which

understandably seems bitter at first and because in the darkness absolute "Truth never seems true." Reject truth, and the vacuum created

indiscriminately sucks in any or all things convenient and counterfeit ...[text shortened]... Sadly, the higher our intelligence the greater our capacity for self deception.


-Bobby

I am not saying that we can't have irrational beliefs. I am sure most people do. You might also willingly choose not to learn more about something in order to protect your belief system, thus prolonging an irrational belief even though you already suspect it may be in danger. But can you choose to believe something that you haven't believed in before and that you know to be irrational? I don't think so.

I don't think "Truth never seems true" is true either. It's one of those sentences that sound convincing because they are put together nicely linguistically, but if you really think about the content, it doesn't make much sense. It's especially nice because you now can say: "See, it doesn't seem true to you! That's because truth never seems true!" 😛

Originally posted by Nordlys
I am not saying that we can't have irrational beliefs. I am sure most people do. You might also willingly choose not to learn more about something in order to protect your belief system, thus prolonging an irrational belief even though you already suspect it may be in danger. But can you choose to believe something that you haven't believed in before and tha say: "See, it doesn't seem true to you! That's because truth never seems true!" 😛

Nordlys, all of us have only have three avenues of understanding: #1 Experience it (empiricism), #2 Think it through (rationalism),

#3 Believe it through an act of free will (faith). Never ever been to Norway but would bet my life that its fiords are beautiful.


-gb


Edit; When my Uncle first began teaching me chess, I remember questioning
his explantion of promotion... "No way a pawn can ever become a queen."
That truth did not seem true to my limited frame of reference at the age of nine.

🙂

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Nordlys, all of us have only have three avenues of understanding: #1 Experience it (empiricism), #2 Think it through (rationalism),

#3 Believe it through an act of free will (faith). Never ever been to Norway but would bet my life that its fiords are beautiful.


-gb


Edit; When my Uncle first began teaching me chess, I remember questioning
h ...[text shortened]... en."
That truth did not seem true to my limited frame of reference at the age of nine.

🙂

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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
When my Uncle first began teaching me chess, I remember questioning his explantion of promotion... "No way a pawn can ever become a queen." That truth did not seem true to my limited frame of reference at the age of nine.

Count again AFTER the game, the pawn is still there ... You might consider buying a few spare pieces, though.

Just to say that sometimes the naïve is true.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Please predicate your remark, Uzless. You prefer Bowmann's... what?

Bowmann's profile....perhaps you have it close by

Originally posted by Palynka
Your muddling a lot of concepts via again excessive labeling. There are several differences:

A diagnose is the identification of a medical condition. Identifying such a condition requires considering a large number of factors and cross checking them. Although this can be seen as 'labeling', it's a fundamentally different process than just finding one rand h larger concept via one single characteristic. But I'm just too bored to continue, anyway.

well since you insisted on posting follow up arguments and taunts to me for not posting again (even though you said you were bored and were quitting the debate!!!) I will relent despite your protestations.

I guess you've never heard of what biologists call "indicator species". For example, rather than take water samples of a river or creek and submit them to a laboratory to determine the chemcial parameters of the water and then consulting water quality charts and toxicity levels for each chemical paramater to know whether or not the water quality is good or bad, biologists can use a much simpler way to determine water quality.

They grab a net, kick over some rocks, and scoop up the invertebrates and small fish that live in the creek. Now, certain bugs and insects will only live in good quality water, so if you find these bugs in your net, then you know the water quality is good. It is not necessary to submit water samples for lab analysis if you just want to make a general statement about the quality of the water.

The bugs are called "indicator species" because if you find certain species of bugs they indicate the water is good.

In the same sense, if your conversations are mainly about people and events, it's likely that your mind is not a superior one. 😵