23 Jan 04
Originally posted by AcolyteWhat do you consider "left-wing"? Was FDR left-wing in your opinion?
Now there's a question (to which I don't know the answer): when was the last time a left-wing candidate (Democrat, Republican, or Whig depending on how far back you go) from the North became President?
Of course, the idea of a left-wing Republican is inconceivable.
23 Jan 04
Originally posted by bbarrErrr, I wasn't being that serious. (This also applies to what I said to rwingett and Omnislash.) I was trying to make a point about the lack of real options afforded the voting public by a two-party system. Normally when someone asks me whom I sympathize with politically, I say some crazy stuff about the Prohibition Party. However, given previous posts, I didn't think anyone would buy that coming from me so I went with the next weirdest thing.
Read their platform on abortion and education. Then think about what it's like in the Bible Belt. Imagine a string of states where creationism was taught in the schools and abortions, though legal, weren't provided (because they could only be privately funded). Sorry, but I'm not a big advocate of state's rights when it comes to these issues. I'm voting for the person with the best chance of beating the the incumbent Prince of Darkness.
23 Jan 04
Originally posted by AcolyteProbably Kennedy. I've lived in the north and south and it is really amazing how polarized some parts of the country are. I cannot imagine Kerry or Dean carrying a single southern state and I don't see Bush winning any in the northeast or west. I've live in the south more and there is a general distrust of northerners because they are "liberals" and my perception is that most northerners see southerners as stupid.
Now there's a question (to which I don't know the answer): when was the last time a left-wing candidate (Democrat, Republican, or Whig depending on how far back you go) from the North became President?
24 Jan 04
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The south was democratic, hence the term "solid south", until Kennedy stood down Wallace for desegregation. It's hard to imagine any of the Democrats doing well in the South. Besides, Bush, as much as I wish I was wrong, is too popular and has too much money to lose.
Also, Pat Robertson said God told him Bush was going to win in a landslide, so I don't know why we are even having an election this year.
24 Jan 04
Originally posted by knapperjaYou know, you look at Pat Robertson and that knucklehead network of his and you would be right in thinking that this must be a network for furlowed psychiatric patients.
The south was democratic, hence the term "solid south", until Kennedy stood down Wallace for desegregation. It's hard to imagine any of the Democrats doing well in the South. Besides, Bush, as much as I wish I was wrong, is too popular and has too much money to lose.
Also, Pat Robertson said God told him Bush was going to win in a landslide, so I don't know why we are even having an election this year.
"You talk to God and we call it prayer. God talks to you and we call it schizophrenia." Thomas Szasz, pychiatrist, humanist
24 Jan 04
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Originally posted by kirksey957Calling Kennedy a left-wing candidate is absurd. There are no left-wing candidates in mainstream American politics. I brought up FDR earlier because he took many of the issues that were championed by the left and introduced them to mainstream America for the first time.
Probably Kennedy. I've lived in the north and south and it is really amazing how polarized some parts of the country are. I cannot imagine Kerry or Dean carrying a single southern state and I don't see Bush winning any in the northea ...[text shortened]... my perception is that most northerners see southerners as stupid.
Perhaps what Acolyte meant was "liberal", which is a far cry from being left-wing. Some of the Democrats are to the left of center, and are certainly closer to the left than Bush, but to call them left-wing is to make the term meaningless.
24 Jan 04
Originally posted by rwingettAye. The situation is not the same with the term ''right-wing''. American politics currently looks like a bird that too a Patriot missile to the northward-pointing wing on a direct flight from the US to Iraq....
Calling Kennedy a left-wing candidate is absurd. There are no left-wing candidates in mainstream American politics. I brought up FDR earlier because he took many of the issues that were championed by the left and introduced them to mainstream America for the first time.
Perhaps what Acolyte meant was "liberal", which is a far cry from being left-wing. ...[text shortened]... tainly closer to the left than Bush, but to call them left-wing is to make the term meaningless.
24 Jan 04
Originally posted by rwingettThere are plenty of left-wing politicians in the mainstream. What I call the mainstream is that they have been elected. If elected, they enjoy the popularity of their state or district. That makes them mainstream. For example isn't Ted Kennedy left wing. He is left-wing as Newt Gingrich is right-wing. Ted Kennedy represent the mainstream of his state just as Newt Gingrich represented the mainstream of his district. That's all I was saying.
Calling Kennedy a left-wing candidate is absurd. There are no left-wing candidates in mainstream American politics. I brought up FDR earlier because he took many of the issues that were championed by the left and introduced them to mainstream America for the first time.
Perhaps what Acolyte meant was "liberal", which is a far cry from being left-wing. ...[text shortened]... tainly closer to the left than Bush, but to call them left-wing is to make the term meaningless.
24 Jan 04
Originally posted by rwingettI meant left-wing by the American standards of their day. Have you considered moving to Sweden?
Calling Kennedy a left-wing candidate is absurd. There are no left-wing candidates in mainstream American politics. I brought up FDR earlier because he took many of the issues that were championed by the left and introduced them to mainstream America for the first time.
Perhaps what Acolyte meant was "liberal", which is a far cry from being left-wing. ...[text shortened]... tainly closer to the left than Bush, but to call them left-wing is to make the term meaningless.
24 Jan 04
Originally posted by kirksey957No, I do not think that Ted Kennedy is left wing. He may be on the left wing of the Democratic party, but the Democrats are not a left wing party. You can not have a truly left wing candidate in a two party system. Some of the European socialist parties could be considered left wing (but even that is debatable).
There are plenty of left-wing politicians in the mainstream. What I call the mainstream is that they have been elected. If elected, they enjoy the popularity of their state or district. That makes them mainstream. For example isn't Ted Kennedy left wing. He is left-wing as Newt Gingrich is right-wing. Ted Kennedy represent the mainstream of his state just as Newt Gingrich represented the mainstream of his district. That's all I was saying.