05 Jun 06
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Originally posted by RavelloShow your work, or admit you speculate.
Because a GrandMaster would match engine moves in the vast majority of his games.
At least let me know you've done some work on the subject, since the Game Mods can't 'show' their work. We have found that GM's do Not match to engines, they match fantastic thinking... not based on millions of positions going 15 moves deep.
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05 Jun 06
Originally posted by PhlabibitThere's no need to be a genius to see that any GM (who is notorius, they draw and even beat engines) would match engine moves in all their games.
Show your work, or admit you speculate.
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To not understanding it is pure idiocy.
If, absurdly, Kasparov joined Rhp he would have been kicked for engine use.
05 Jun 06
Originally posted by RavelloIt is a fine line ... On the one side I think you're right, a GM could be banned but then I do not know how the cheat police works here (maybe they are skilled enough to distinguish a GM from shredder)
Because a GrandMaster would match engine moves in the vast majority of his games.
I just hope that they clear a few big guns in the tournaments that I'm currently playing first :-)
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05 Jun 06
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Originally posted by RavelloRead my edit. Also, you don't draw and beat engines by making the same moves... you do it by making better and more creative moves.
There's no need to be a genius to see that any GM (who is notorius, they draw and even beat engines) would match engine moves in all their games.
To not understanding it is pure idiocy.
If, absurdly, Kasparov joined Rhp he would have been kicked for engine use.
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05 Jun 06
Originally posted by RavelloThe recentish GM correspondence games that I analysed had very high match-ups. Going back a few years, the match-ups get less and less, presumably because of the training that GMs now do with top engines.
There's no need to be a genius to see that any GM (who is notorius, they draw and even beat engines) would match engine moves in all their games.
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05 Jun 06
I think Russ is going too far and being really pathetic now
Some of the bans he has done were bad, but Jean hebert - terrible by russ
Remember how he explained things to the rhp players? How he helped people and even set up positions and showed them why/why not to do x.
Russ has made a big mistake, and has turned to pathetic imo.
05 Jun 06
Originally posted by RavelloI am not an expert on that, but I remember several threads where people stated that even the very best chess players wouldn't match with an engine close to 100% game for game. And there seems to be a differnt type of play between a chess program and a human player.
Because a GrandMaster would match engine moves in the vast majority of his games.
05 Jun 06
Originally posted by RavelloBut wouldn't different engines produce different moves. So if a cheat had more then one engine then you couldn't match it up at all? Do they know what engine the people who cheat use because that would be very hard to tell but then if you matched up someones moves to say 10 engines of a similar rating one had a high chance of matching up.
Because a GrandMaster would match engine moves in the vast majority of his games.
I'm just thinking about it really I have no idea how big brother works and tells who cheats. Apart from the rating graphs that suddenly go from 1000 to 2100.
05 Jun 06
Originally posted by Caro KannYou are welcome to your opinion based on nothing more than a guy being nice and helpful. When engines make their moves they base their finding on millions of positions, looking several moves ahead. The way a human works is different, and will lead to great moves if they are a good player, but they are in no way ‘matching’ moves over and over and over and over and over and over again.
I think Russ is going too far and being really pathetic now
Some of the bans he has done were bad, but Jean hebert - terrible by russ
Remember how he explained things to the rhp players? How he helped people and even set up positions and showed them why/why not to do x.
Russ has made a big mistake, and has turned to pathetic imo.
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05 Jun 06
Originally posted by RagnorakWhat organization? The ICCF allows engine use. What is a "high matchup"? 80%? 85%? How many games did you analyze? What counted as a matchup?
The recentish GM correspondence games that I analysed had very high match-ups. Going back a few years, the match-ups get less and less, presumably because of the training that GMs now do with top engines.
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