29 Mar 10
Originally posted by wormwoodBen Rothwell is another IFL fighter. At one point in his career he looked downright fat. He and The Polish Hammer impressed me with their abilities.
that brings to mind tim sylvia. there's just something inspiring in a guy who looks to be completely out of shape, no muscles, has flabby love handles and bad coordination, but who's so god damn TOUGH that he refuses to be knocked out, choked out, or even to admit his arm is broken. then goes and knocks the other guy out.
30 Mar 10
Originally posted by Ice ColdMMA and all simular fighting systems came after our day but, I was thinking about who among our group would have been able to have been good at MMA. As much as I would hate to admit it; Mark was more well suited for it as he did have a good background in Judo before coming to karate/MDK. I for one only had a good floor game of defensive kicks to give me some recover time if I hit the mat, no locks and/or holds. Looking back on those days, i'm suprised we never came up with that kind of fight competition between us as we did exchange moves from our styles with one another quite freely. We had a pretty good mix of Karate, TKD, MDK and white dragon GF that we could draw off of each other. Oh well hindsight is always 50/50. I just wish I would have stayed with it and not let what skills I had fade away.
Ben Rothwell is another IFL fighter. At one point in his career he looked downright fat. He and The Polish Hammer impressed me with their abilities.
30 Mar 10
Originally posted by expuddlepirateyou must be pretty old then, as in brazil it's been going on since the 20s or so. (and of course all real life combat systems have always been 'everything goes', only the modern competitive forms have rules)
MMA and all simular fighting systems came after our day ...
30 Mar 10
Originally posted by wormwoodMMA as an active sport is rather new to the scene. Real life combat systems go far back before recorded time. However Asian schools of martial arts have through most of their history been rather closed to the outside. Even Karate itself only came to Japan (from Okinawa) in the late 1800's to early 1900's. Bruce Lee was among the first to break several "taboos" in showing it to "ousiders". As Ice can confirm, we had a few freinds that were told not to "share" with non Dojo members and even know a girl who was stripped of her San Dan rank (3rd Degree black belt) for working out with freinds from another style.
you must be pretty old then, as in brazil it's been going on since the 20s or so. (and of course all real life combat systems have always been 'everything goes', only the modern competitive forms have rules)
30 Mar 10
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Originally posted by expuddlepirateyep. as I understand it though, the okinawa karate thing is more about it being strictly against sparring, not against teaching it to outsiders. you absolutely can't get sparring nor a 'sporting fight' in okinawa, it simply isn't allowed.
MMA as an active sport is rather new to the scene. Real life combat systems go far back before recorded time. However Asian schools of martial arts have through most of their history been rather closed to the outside. Even Karate itself only came to Japan (from Okinawa) in the late 1800's to early 1900's. Bruce Lee was among the first to break several er San Dan rank (3rd Degree black belt) for working out with freinds from another style.
btw, what's that bad smell? oh nevermind, I'll just ignore it.
30 Mar 10
Originally posted by wormwoodThat might explain the migration of some of the schools to Japan. Shotokan I think, if I remember right, was the first one to successfuly break away from the pack and go to Japan.
yep. as I understand it though, the okinawa karate thing is more about it being strictly against sparring, not against teaching it to outsiders. you absolutely can't get sparring nor a 'sporting fight' in okinawa, it simply isn't allowed.
btw, what's that bad smell? oh nevermind, I'll just ignore it.
30 Mar 10
Originally posted by expuddlepirateafter a little checking, it appears the reason why karate got introduced to mainland so late as 1922 (when the educational ministry asked the creator of shotokan for a demonstration as a part of a culture exchange program), was that not only was ryuukyuu (okinawa) a kingdom of it's own, but also political reasons had traditionally kept cultural exchange to a minimum: the ryuukyu kingdom had been officially part of china, BUT controlled by the satsuma daimyo, which made it imperative that the shogunate kept low profile as to not provoke china. as a result, ryuukyuu had a sort of an autonomy, and what happened in okinawa stayed in okinawa. the ryuukyuu islands weren't officially annexed to japan until 1879, and the ryuukans weren't even considered japanese.
That might explain the migration of some of the schools to Japan. Shotokan I think, if I remember right, was the first one to successfuly break away from the pack and go to Japan.
I knew okinawa had it's own language, but I had no idea of the rest. all very interesting.
30 Mar 10
Originally posted by expuddlepirateYeah but we could all out drink Mark. 😛
MMA and all simular fighting systems came after our day but, I was thinking about who among our group would have been able to have been good at MMA. As much as I would hate to admit it; Mark was more well suited for it as he did have a good background in Judo before coming to karate/MDK. I for one only had a good floor game of defensive kicks to give ...[text shortened]... always 50/50. I just wish I would have stayed with it and not let what skills I had fade away.
He was the toughest fighter among us at the time.
I'd bet the worst one could beat Mark now though. 😀
(Ironic, the weakest fighter among our little group ended up a 7th Dan
Shi dan I think isn't it?)