15 Dec 04
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Originally posted by robotic micki'm just butting in randomly here-but do you know what punctuation is? 😛
people invented guns to bring war against themselves see we r killing ourselves here and who really gives a dammm no one cause they are to busy making guns and shooting fire arm that they do not get the picture yes it is a deadlly toy ...[text shortened]... inteed you will feel like you are on top of the world😀[gid][/gid]
15 Dec 04
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Originally posted by robotic mickRockets were invented as a weapon, should we not have used the technology for space exploration? Nuclear testing was done for war purposes, should we not use the technology for energy supply? There are many examples of things that were created with bad intentions, and creative people found a way to use them for something else. It is more than obvious that guns have served a useful role in history. Besides, people can hurt each other with just about anything, that doesn't make the thing itself bad.😉
people invented guns to bring war against themselves see we r killing ourselves here and who really gives a dammm no one cause they are to busy making guns and shooting fire arm that they do not get the picture yes it is a deadlly toy ...[text shortened]... inteed you will feel like you are on top of the world😀[gid][/gid]
15 Dec 04
but it is all true yes we create bad and good technology but guns can be used by any one can a rocket be used by any one no diffentilly not and if so then seea i am going to mars for christmas we use this technology to get around faster to communicate with each other and anougher thing is to create war against each other if we didn't have this stuff then we would be pretty much living in the early 1940's which i love my technology cause then i can listen to music go on the computer do normal day stuff with my life catch ya later
mickster
15 Dec 04
Originally posted by StarrmanWell, actually, in order to get your hunter safety card, it is required that you display a proficiency at handling a gun and knowledge of safe gun handling. And by the way, way way more people are killed in the US in automobile accidents than due to firearms. I'm not a gun nut at all. I think handguns and automatic weapons should be made illegal. But please explain to me why people shouldn't be able to hunt? At sixteen you can get your drivers license, in most states you can get a learners permit at fifteen. Statistically speaking this is much more dangerous than a gun, but I don't see you whining about that.
While it might be true that a licence is required, that is by no means a guaruantee that the person able to obtain it through correct demonstration of procedure is also the person able to mentally control his emotions, thoughts and actions when the licence examiner is there. Not saying that our man here is one of these, but you must concede that with the e ...[text shortened]... le enough to carry a life endangering device? I'm sorry that speaks all sorts of wrongs to me.
Like I said, a gun is only as dangerous as the person that uses it. Your blanket statement that it is too easy to get a gun in the US is false. Each state has different laws pertaining to waiting periods and background checks. And once again, I doubt someone brought up to respect firearms and to use them properly, is going to go on a killing spree. Most of the people that I know grew up with guns and I don't know a soul that has shot someone. Your inference that guns equal killing people is way off base.
I agree that there is certainly some gun control issues in the US, but even if the federal government enacted a law it wouldn't pertain to shotguns or even hunting rifles. Once again it would only pertain to handguns and automatic weapons. I'm pretty sure that you can still by fowling pieces in the UK.
For more information on what gun laws have accomplished check out this website:
http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/shared/readmore.asp?sNav=nr&id=570
15 Dec 04
Originally posted by robotic mickA rocket can be used by anyone with enough money. Look at Spaceship One and all the other private ventures in space travel.
but it is all true yes we create bad and good technology but guns can be used by any one can a rocket be used by any one no diffentilly not and if so then seea i am going to mars for christmas we use this technology to get around faster to communicate with each other and anougher thing is to create war against each other if we didn't have this stuff th ...[text shortened]... listen to music go on the computer do normal day stuff with my life catch ya later
mickster
15 Dec 04
Originally posted by robotic mickYour implication that this seemingly rational young man is going to go over the edge and kill people just because he has a gun in assinine. Back up your theory with some statistics. Once again, a gun is only as dangerous as the person that is using it. I'm sure whoever gave this weapon to this kid knows him a lot better than you.
yea but that was an example not everything can be used and plus do you have enough money no cause you know why cause you don't earn enough see this is what i mean we can't just go in there and buy a rocket that gose to space not as easy as that do you think life is easy tell you do you
Have a little faith - do you think that we are all lunatics?
15 Dec 04
well most people are well look what happened to the twin towers on september 11 it was not cool to be surcidal and that was there job who would kill themselves over there jobs hay i know i would not any ways i do have faith in the kid if he was about 7 more years older
but the thing is have you ever holded a shotgun ever it dose not feel right to have that much power behind you
15 Dec 04
Originally posted by CliffLandinThis is getting a little out of hand I admit, and it's someone elses thread so I shall stem my input from after this last point.
Your implication that this seemingly rational young man is going to go over the edge and kill people just because he has a gun in assinine. Back up your theory with some statistics. Once again, a gun is only as dangerous as the person that is using it. I'm sure whoever gave this weapon to this kid knows him a lot better than you.
Have a little faith - do you think that we are all lunatics?
Having guns does not makes someone a killer, but the more ingrained guns become in a culture, the higher the possibility of such a thing happening and the less visible the warning signs.
Anyway, no more from me, have a nice birthday and I'm sorry about hijacking your thread Knapster 🙂
15 Dec 04
Originally posted by CliffLandinHere is a copy and paste I made in a thread in the debates forum.
Your implication that this seemingly rational young man is going to go over the edge and kill people just because he has a gun in assinine. Back up your theory with some statistics. Once again, a gun is only as dangerous as the person that is using it. I'm sure whoever gave this weapon to this kid knows him a lot better than you.
Have a little faith - do you think that we are all lunatics?
You own guns. So do 80 million other Americans. About 27% of the American public.
People go crazy. Even in the land of the free. In fact, 22.1 percent of Americans aged 18 and older—about 1 in 5 adults—suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year. So that works out at about 66 million people a year suffering from mental disorders per year. (National Institute of Medical Health)
My point was that you, a rational upstanding member of the 80million, could quite easily also become part of the 66 million. So could any of the other 79,999,999. In fact, taking the governments own statistic of 22.1%, 17,600,000 gun owners suffer from mental illness yearly in the u.s. of a.
Now, in a gun-less society, that could potentially mean 17,600,000 frying pan wielding people of diminished responsibility, whereas in america, it means 17,600,000 gun toting people of diminished responsibility. With that many people of diminished responsibility having direct access to a firearm, I find it unbelievable that the yearly gun death toll in america isn't higher than 28,663 (National Center for Health Statistics, 2000)?
If you want to read more about the context, or even if you want to switch from Knapster's thread to continue the debate, then here's the thread...
http://www.timeforchess.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=14127&page=1
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15 Dec 04
Originally posted by RagnorakWhat your statistic don't show is the number of people that go crazy and use a gun to kill someone.
Here is a copy and paste I made in a thread in the debates forum.
[i]You own guns. So do 80 million other Americans. About 27% of the American public.
People go crazy. Even in the land of the free. In fact, 22.1 percent of Americans aged 18 and older—about 1 in 5 adults—suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year. So that works out at ab ...[text shortened]... 's the thread...
http://www.timeforchess.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=14127&page=1
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I too, apologize for highjacking the thread. And I too am done.
If you would like to go on somemore, check my American Bashing thread in the General Forum, not the Debate Forum
Happy Birthday!!!
15 Dec 04
Ok thanks everyone. I don't really have time to read all of the posts and therefore cannot reply to everything.
First of all, my dad gave me the gun. Second of all, I won't be using it on people. I do consider myself proficient at the use of guns. I don't consider it as a toy as someone referred to my gun. It is a tool to hunt things such as deer, sheesh. I live in a very rural area. My family owns a large farm. There are about 80 people in my town. So, people calm down. Geez, I do believe that many of you have no idea what kind of life I live.
Thanks everyone for the concern 😀 I hope to use it this weekend, if not sooner.
Well, I better get to my homework...