26 Jun 07
Originally posted by RussThe smell is the main problem with the smoking ban. The smell of smoke masks all the odours, like farts, B.O, stale carpets, and the waft from the toilet. This shouldn't be necessarily a bad thing, as it might make some of those old bar stewards in the pub have a shower before they come out.
Yeah, this is my worry. I am all for the ban, but a pub I drink in is a bit of a smoker's den - but I went in there early one lunchtime once (before the smog developed) and it smelt bloody awful. If that is how it is going to be every night now, I could be for changing locals. (No wonder they are so strongly against the ban in this pub.)
-Russ
The other thing that transpired is that if you smoke, you have perfect pick up line for meeting female smokers in the pub....wait tilll they go outside, and ask them for a light. Over here, the smoking area of the pub became the place to meet chicks, if smoking was your bag....i stopped smoking just before the ban came in, sad or wot 😞
26 Jun 07
I find that I actually started smoking more when I came over to Ireland. The pub I drink in has an excellend covered, heated beer garden. Instead of having a cig when I feel like one like I used to in the uk, I now smoke a cig as soon as the first person in the group wants one because everyone goes for a cig together.
26 Jun 07
Originally posted by RussSo the ban will benefit all in more health ways than lung smoke. Maybe you have been inhaling toxic gas and could not tell it because of the smoke. Now you will know, and perhaps frequent a cleaner establishment.
Yeah, this is my worry. I am all for the ban, but a pub I drink in is a bit of a smoker's den - but I went in there early one lunchtime once (before the smog developed) and it smelt bloody awful. If that is how it is going to be every night now, I could be for changing locals. (No wonder they are so strongly against the ban in this pub.)
-Russ
26 Jun 07
Originally posted by ChaosChildAs someone who is all in favour of the ban, I have heard this argument many times - usually from smokers who are irritated by having their "God-given right to smoke where-ever they please" taken away from them.
i see this can turn into quite a bun fight ... 🙂
i just don't see too many smokers (and non-smokers) complaining about other junkies, soaking their livers in booze. may be we should ban pubs altogether ... and hell, while we're at it, driving cars is dangerous too, as much for you as other people on the roads. oh, and i forgot, sexually transmitted dise ...[text shortened]... ve fun during this process! but, i'm sure i've read something like that in another thread.
However, what these people forget is that smoking and drinking are two completely different vices. Smoking affects other people around them in a way that drinking does not. Passive smoking kills innocent people - to see this you only need to look at the life and work of Roy Castle, a great British TV presenter and Jazz trumpeter who died of lung cancer after a (too brief) lifetime of playing in smokey jazz cafes and bars, though he was a non-smoker. I must admit that in these days of litigation and everyone sueing everyone else and their dog for a way of solving even the most banal and petty of disagreements, I am amazed that it has taken this long for a ban on smoking in public places to come into effect. Employers can't risk being sued by their employees if they develop cancer as a direct consequence of working for them.
I like to go to the pub and enjoy a pint or 2 on occasions and I don't like to breath in other peoples smoke. My drinking doesn't affect the smokers enjoyment of their cigarettes, so why should their vice affect me? Should I not have the right to breathe in clean air in a public place?
26 Jun 07
Originally posted by HindsteinThe news that you and all the others like you will now be able to "enjoy" the occasional pint or two must be a real godsend to Landlords up and down the country.......what fun filled places our pubs and clubs are going to be
As someone who is all in favour of the ban, I have heard this argument many times - usually from smokers who are irritated by having their "God-given right to smoke where-ever they please" taken away from them.
However, what these people forget is that smoking and drinking are two completely different vices. Smoking affects other people around them in ...[text shortened]... heir vice affect me? Should I not have the right to breathe in clean air in a public place?
26 Jun 07
Originally posted by shrewLast time I went to a pub, they sold booze not cigarettes. Probably won't affect their sales, it may just clean up their clientelle.
The news that you and all the others like you will now be able to "enjoy" the occasional pint or two must be a real godsend to Landlords up and down the country.......what fun filled places our pubs and clubs are going to be
26 Jun 07
Originally posted by HindsteinAnd they should publicly ban alcohol as well. Were do you think all the people go when the leave the bar. They get in thier cars and drive home. Many deaths each year are due to drunk drivers as well. Should others on the street be able to enjoy thier god given right to live?
As someone who is all in favour of the ban, I have heard this argument many times - usually from smokers who are irritated by having their "God-given right to smoke where-ever they please" taken away from them.
However, what these people forget is that smoking and drinking are two completely different vices. Smoking affects other people around them in ...[text shortened]... heir vice affect me? Should I not have the right to breathe in clean air in a public place?
26 Jun 07
Originally posted by knightwesti've cut down dramatically over the last month or two. time to go all the way now i think. i've become really self conscious about smoking
and so I have decided to get a head start and quit smoking. I am now popping outside to have my last cigarette, as advised by Alan Carr, and am fully stocked on nicotine gum (which has helped me before, but is against the advice of Alan Carr).
I would like to wish all other english smokers who are thinking of quitting because of the ban good luck, and ...[text shortened]... the english pub as we know it. Things will never be the same again. :'(
Anyway, pip pip...
26 Jun 07
Originally posted by Daemon SinJust wait 'til you smell what the smoke was covering up. Those old guys sucking the stout down in the corner? They're also creating methane faster than you can take shots...
Good riddance to all the cancer-huffing junkies; it should have been banned years ago.
26 Jun 07
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Originally posted by torch71Only idiots drink and drive. Driving over the limit (which isn't much - about 2 units) is a really stupid thing to do, and you are right that this should be banned.
And they should publicly ban alcohol as well. Were do you think all the people go when the leave the bar. They get in thier cars and drive home. Many deaths each year are due to drunk drivers as well. Should others on the street be able to enjoy thier god given right to live?
However, what you have just suggested is that all alcohol should be banned because of the few who abuse it. I dispute your claim that all people who drink in a bar go and drive home. The diference here, is that all smokers breathe out fumes. Drinking and driving is illegal - from Sunday, so will smoking in public places. You can still smoke outside and in designated smoking areas - you can still drink in designated areas too as long as you don't drive. Seems fair to me.
I think that drinking in unlicenced public places has been banned for years.
26 Jun 07
Originally posted by knightwestI saw Alan Carr sneaking a smoke in the men's room. 😞
and so I have decided to get a head start and quit smoking. I am now popping outside to have my last cigarette, as advised by Alan Carr, and am fully stocked on nicotine gum (which has helped me before, but is against the advice of Alan Carr).
I would like to wish all other english smokers who are thinking of quitting because of the ban good luck, and ...[text shortened]... the english pub as we know it. Things will never be the same again. :'(
Anyway, pip pip...
27 Jun 07
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Originally posted by Hindsteinyou have a point here, but i think you're missing mine. the idiot who lights up a cigarette in an elevator (or any other confined public space) with an elderly person in it, or a child, or whoever else that might suffer from second-hand smoke deserves to be pounded upon. even i, a smoker, will tell that person to kill that cigarette until he (or she) is out on the street. what i've been talking about all this time is this discriminatory approach that i see, only directed at the minimal of all problems. if the government decided to ban smoking in public places, provide smokers with a 'smoker's corner' where we can enjoy our cigarette with a pint or two. if you don't want to inhale my smoke, sit at the non-smoking section and enjoy your pint - problem solved. but the way it's going now, we might as well ban cigarettes altogether - what's the point of legally selling smokes if you can't smoke just about anywhere?!
Only idiots drink and drive. Driving over the limit (which isn't much - about 2 units) is a really stupid thing to do, and you are right that this should be banned. ... [text shortened] ... I think that drinking in unlicenced public places has been banned for years.
and the rest of the 'dangers' i was talking about, and not only me - drinking and driving unfortunately is a common place nowadays. and although it is a stupid thing to do, most of people, after having a pint or two, underestimate greatly their own abilities and park their arses behind the wheel. sometimes, and these times are quite frequent, they'll even have another pint or two - 'oh, just another for the road! i'm not drunk at all ... blah-blah-blah.' and the fact that drinking in not licensed places was banned for years doesn't mean anything, smoking weed and sniffing coke is illegal in most countries, but this hasn't stopped just about every second person on this planet at least trying it once.
thus, the moral of this story, for each his own. 😉
27 Jun 07
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Edit: I have now read the whole thread, and am still caught by the comments on this page about the smell of smoke masking other smells in the pub.
What a load of carp (anag.). If the publican kept up a better cleaning regime in the bar area, then there wouldn't be other smells to need to mask out.
Coventrys first complete none-smoking bar, Bar Liquid, has been that way since it opened a couple of years ago. They have had no problem with odours as they keep the place clean.