Our Ethical Creeds

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Suicide is NEVER an insult to anyone.

Still your belief?

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Truth is often unpleasant

There is no god.
There is no afterlife.
You are never seeing your wife again.
You have wasted much of your life on superstitious nonsense.
That is the Truth.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
There is no god.
There is no afterlife.
You are never seeing your wife again.
You have wasted much of your life on superstitious nonsense.
That is the Truth.

As always I respect your right to hold different sets of opinions, values and beliefs than my own. Here's an in depth commentary on the legality and illegality of suicide by country which may be of interest: http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2014/07/24/is-suicide-illegal-suicide-laws-by-country/

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
As always I respect your right to hold different sets of opinions, values and beliefs than my own. Here's an in depth commentary on the legality and illegality of suicide by country which may be of interest: http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2014/07/24/is-suicide-illegal-suicide-laws-by-country/

I think the 'legality' of suicide is a different conversation. The question at hand is if an individual who does comment suicide is 'insulting' anybody. As an atheist, I of course do not believe that such a tragic event is an insult to God, but I also do not believe it is an insult to the living. People act in accordance to their own reasoning, even if that reasoning is clouded by despair. If someone decides to commit suicide it is because they feel they can no longer go on. 'Insult' doesn't comes into it. A family is entitled to feel saddened at such a tragic event, but not insulted. It is not a case of 'throwing life back in their face' but rather an act by someone who can no longer cope with life, for whatever reason.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
I think the 'legality' of suicide is a different conversation. The question at hand is if an individual who does comment suicide is 'insulting' anybody. As an atheist, I of course do not believe that such a tragic event is an insult to God, but I also do not believe it is an insult to the living. People act in accordance to their own reasoning, even if ...[text shortened]... k in their face' but rather an act by someone who can no longer cope with life, for whatever reason.

Well reasoned, comprehensive rationale. All families perceive themselves in different
ways which reflect different values and honor codes with respect to suicide. imo

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Well reasoned, comprehensive rationale. All families perceive themselves in different ways which reflect different values and honor codes with respect to suicide. imo

So what's happened to your stuff about [1] suicide "with rare exceptions" being an insult to whole of the human race? (page 1) And what's happened to your stuff about [2] the only alternatives to disagreeing with you are "truth mixed with error, outright falsehoods and premeditated lies"? (page 3)

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
I think the 'legality' of suicide is a different conversation. The question at hand is if an individual who does comment suicide is 'insulting' anybody. As an atheist, I of course do not believe that such a tragic event is an insult to God, but I also do not believe it is an insult to the living. People act in accordance to their own reasoning, even ...[text shortened]... their face' but rather an act by someone who can no longer cope with life, for whatever reason.

I agree.
Despondent people who commit suicide are often beyond the point of thinking rationally...their pain too great, too overwhelming to see or think with any clarity.
Some may have convinced themselves that their loved ones might be better off without them. They feel like a burden in some way....which is actually an unselfish line of thinking...misguided perhaps, but certainly not insulting.

Originally posted by Landisqueen170
I agree.
Despondent people who commit suicide are often beyond the point of thinking rationally...their pain too great, too overwhelming to see or think with any clarity.
Some may have convinced themselves that their loved ones might be better off without them. They feel like a burden in some way....which is actually an unselfish line of thinking...misguided perhaps, but certainly not insulting.

None of my family members nor friends have ever contemplated or committed suicide. Has your experience been different or similar?

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
None of my family members nor friends have ever contemplated or committed suicide. Has your experience been different or similar?

Yes, I am surrounded by despondent people due to the nature of my job. Daily actually.
Despair is not a character flaw.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
None of my family members nor friends have ever contemplated or committed suicide. Has your experience been different or similar?

Just be very grateful, Bob.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
None of my family members nor friends have ever contemplated or committed suicide.

Do you believe this has been because of "honour codes"?

Originally posted by Landisqueen170
Yes, I am surrounded by despondent people due to the nature of my job. Daily actually.
Despair is not a character flaw.

Does Therapy and/or Medications alleviate the "Despair"?

Originally posted by lolof
Just be very grateful, Bob.

Yes, lolof, I've always been grateful for this blessing.

Note: Welcome home, even if its only a cameo appearance.

Originally posted by divegeester to Grampy Bobby
You have absolutely no clue about this topic whatsoever.

And yet he's talking about the "lies" of those who disagree with him on it.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Does Therapy and/or Medications alleviate the "Despair"?

That's the hope, but of course, not always effective.