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12 Sep 04
12 Sep 04
Originally posted by pradtfI don't play myself, but I am addicted to Beethoven's violin concerto. We have a recording By Menuhin. Amazing cadanza, and lovely sheperd's song.
i've done his a minor concerto and the double concerto (and a few little pieces).
i of course like bach very much, but prefer mozart and beethoven.
for violin music, i really love the paganni stuff - though i don't think i could play it. not without a lot of help LOL
in friendship,
prad
12 Sep 04
Originally posted by Mephisto2we have it on vinyl with schneiderhan and on cd with ferras (with the kreisler cadenzas).
I don't play myself, but I am addicted to Beethoven's violin concerto. We have a recording By Menuhin. Amazing cadanza, and lovely sheperd's song.
it is interesting that it is considered to be one of the 4 great violin concertos (beethoven, tchaikovsky, mendelsohn, brahms), yet it like tchaikovsky's was considered unplayable initially.
i think i have been inspired to listen to it shortly 🙂
in friendship,
prad
12 Sep 04
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Originally posted by jgvaccaronot exactly, but sort of:
Did Beethoven write a cadenza for the violin concerto?
Beethoven did not write a cadenza for his violin concerto. But there exists an equivalent in the transcription for piano. This cadenza, when readapted for the violin, is the "Beethoven" cadenza.
http://www.lvbeethoven.com/Cedes/TheCds_Violin.html
the kreisler cadenzas are the most famous though as far as i know, though according to the link there were 12 others.
there is a funny story about kreisler, who was known more for his beautifully poetic interpretations than his dazzling technique, when he was making a recording of the mendelsohn concerto and they wanted him to play the 3rd movement faster. he said something like "i can't do it - go get heifetz to if you really want it faster."
in friendship,
prad
12 Sep 04
Originally posted by pradtfWe listened to it while preparing lunch (you don't want to know what we ate).
we have it on vinyl with schneiderhan and on cd with ferras (with the kreisler cadenzas).
it is interesting that it is considered to be one of the 4 great violin concertos (beethoven, tchaikovsky, mendelsohn, brahms), yet it like tchaikovsky's was considered unplayable initially.
i think i have been inspired to listen to it shortly 🙂
in friendship,
prad
Tchaikovski is beautiful too. We have two versions, one by Menuhin (again) and one by Spiakov (I don't know much about that player). But the version played by Ivan Repin at the Elisabeth Contest (Belgium) some 10 years ago was perhaps even more touching.
12 Sep 04
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i fear we have hijacked RC's organ and bach thread 🙁
i want you to know, RC that this wasn't an organ ized effort.
we should return regularly to the orginal topic - we really should go offenbach to it.
speaking of offenbach, people don't realize that his Tales of Hoffman were sometimes performed in pubs during christmas seasons, particularly the barcarole from that work.
in fiendship,
prad
12 Sep 04
Originally posted by pradtfand don't forget the 'French Can Can' 🙄
i fear we have hijacked RC's organ and bach thread 🙁
i want you to know, RC that this wasn't an organ ized effort.
we should return regularly to the orginal topic - we really should go offenbach to it.
speaking of offenbach, people don't realize that his Tales of Hoffman were sometimes performed in pubs during christmas seasons, particularly the barcarole from that work.
in fiendship,
prad
12 Sep 04
Originally posted by pradtfOh, hijack away--I was just trying to drum up RHP interest in music that isn't foolish metal.
i fear we have hijacked RC's organ and bach thread 🙁
i want you to know, RC that this wasn't an organ ized effort.
we should return regularly to the orginal topic - we really should go offenbach to it.
speaking of offenbach, people don't realize that his Tales of Hoffman were sometimes performed in pubs during christmas seasons, particularly the barcarole from that work.
in fiendship,
prad
Speaking of Offenbach, do you know the Bacarolle which appears in the movie 'Life Is Beautiful'? I like how the beginning of that works.
12 Sep 04
Originally posted by royalchickenI think we are talking of the E minor Chaconne. I have several recordings of it on classical guitar and it must be an incredibly demanding piece. I'm not sure how one can even attempt it on violin.
If we're thinking of the same Chaconne, I love what happens around 2.5 minutes in.
12 Sep 04
Originally posted by royalchicken
I'll look for it. I really like Gould's recording of part of 'The Art of Fugue', although I don't immediately think of him as an organist.
Like everything Gould does, it's idiosyncratic. It's more about Gould than anything else (not that I have a problem with this). The registrations are a bit unorthodox at times and the organ (a Cassavant in Toronto which no longer exists, I think) is woefully out of tune. That having been said, his rendition of Contrapunctus IX is about my favorite.
Originally posted by royalchicken
Are you a phan of phuguage?
You're hard-pressed not to be if you are an organist. 😉 I think one of the pieces I mentioned as among my favorites in another thread was the 'Fugue a la Gigue' by Bach (or at least to the best of our knowledge).
Nemesio
12 Sep 04
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Originally posted by royalchickenwell that's obviously a good idea!
Oh, hijack away--I was just trying to drum up RHP interest in music that isn't foolish metal.
Speaking of Offenbach, do you know the Bacarolle which appears in the movie 'Life Is Beautiful'? I like how the beginning of that works.
i am not aware of the movie Life is Beautiful, but i find it very appropriate that a barcarole by offenbach should be played at christmas time in pubs.
in fiendship,
prad
ps: i was told by a very good friend that the bacarole from tales of hoffman may not have been actually written by offenbach.
i am also curious how many tiers (?) or keyboards organs have. i have seen only 2 (not counting pedals, of course), but i think i've seen up to 4 in pictures in a church organ.
12 Sep 04
Originally posted by kirksey957It's in d minor for violin, transposed for guitar (I think). It's nearly impossible on both instruments.
I think we are talking of the E minor Chaconne. I have several recordings of it on classical guitar and it must be an incredibly demanding piece. I'm not sure how one can even attempt it on violin.
I heard an interesting version on St Paul Sunday a few years back that involved solo violin (naturally) and choir. Apparently someone discovered that you can, at regular intervals, insert a particular chorale along with it, but I don't know the details. It was interesting, although I am not sure what musicological merit it had (not that this should disqualify it, either).
Nemesio
12 Sep 04
Originally posted by LivingLegendAhem. Pieces titled 'Dessicated Embryos,' or 'Three Pieces in the Form of a Pear?'
Satie...
I've never been able to wrap my mind around Satie. To me, he seemed anti-establishment for the sake of being anti-establishment, which doesn't draw me.
However, I know a lot of people who love his music. So, maybe it's just me.
I wrote a weird piece where he parodied Mozart; it was like Mozart on crack, but I don't remember its name. Maybe someone knows. I might want to irritate myself by listening to it again one day. 😉
Nemesio