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RIP Ike Turner

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Originally posted by Phlabibit
Are you defending Ike and saying it was lies?

Please advise.

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no, im just saying dont get carried away hating the guy

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Originally posted by Iron Monkey
My point was about the assessment of the value of someone's art being independent of the assessment of the artist as a human being. Your point about Hitler seems to be that if someone did some social good (creating jobs), this can offset the evil they do. It's a different issue. And besides, Hitler wasn't much of an artist.
He was actually. He was a fully qualified architect, after studying for 6 years at Liverpool, UK, university!! 😛

And 😛 means don't believe everything you read! 😏

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Originally posted by mikelom
He was actually. He was a fully qualified architect, after studying for 6 years at Liverpool, UK, university!! 😛

And 😛 means don't believe everything you read! 😏
wasnt that after he was circumcised then knighted and became one of the beefeaters at the tower ?

😛

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Originally posted by eamon o
no, im just saying dont get carried away hating the guy
Why not? His music doesn't excuse his behaviour, he was a train wreck as a person.

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Originally posted by Sam The Sham
Why not? His music doesn't excuse his behaviour, he was a train wreck as a person.
try to remember, - he's dead.
dont waste your hatred on a dead guy,
apply it to a live scumbag, like bin laden or mugabe

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Originally posted by Iron Monkey
My point was about the assessment of the value of someone's art being independent of the assessment of the artist as a human being. Your point about Hitler seems to be that if someone did some social good (creating jobs), this can offset the evil they do. It's a different issue. And besides, Hitler wasn't much of an artist.
And is your point that a artistic good can offset the evil an artist has done?

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Originally posted by eamon o
try to remember, - he's dead.
dont waste your hatred on a dead guy,
apply it to a live scumbag, like bin laden or mugabe
I've got enough hate for everyone. My hate is boundless. There is no wasted hate, it is limitless.

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Originally posted by Phlabibit
I've got enough hate for everyone. My hate is boundless. There is no wasted hate, it is limitless.

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You're my pretty hate machine, you hateful hate-taker. 😠

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I thought he died years ago.........😕

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Originally posted by darvlay
And is your point that a artistic good can offset the evil an artist has done?
No, I was thinking more that the two (artistic worth and for want of a better term, moral worth) might lie along different dimensions, so that we could acknowledge someone as being a great artist whose work brought enjoyment to many people, while simultaneously aknowledging that they left a lot to be desired in their personal relationships. But the latter consideration wouldn't negate the former, regardless of the magnitude of either the person's artistic accomplishments nor their personal failings.

On the view that you allude to, the relative magnitudes of same would seem to be important, and i find it less plausible. I don't think, for example, that any art (music etc) could offset the evil of the holocaust. but, if Hitler had actually been a great artist, we could acknowledge that while still thinking he was a horrible human being.

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Originally posted by Jay Joos
I thought he died years ago.........😕
I'm sure there are several other examples of you not knowing things.

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Originally posted by Phlabibit
I'm sure there are several other examples of you not knowing things.

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Right back at ya flab... im sure your examples are embarrasing...😵

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Originally posted by Phlabibit
I've got enough hate for everyone. My hate is boundless. There is no wasted hate, it is limitless.

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hows the stomach? some say that negative emotion especially hate has adverse health effects, like ulcers, cancer, problems getting it up.

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Originally posted by eamon o
no, im just saying dont get carried away hating the guy
That's not what you said. You pointed to a movie and media reports, and asked a person if they knew him personally as if he never beat Tina and it was all speculation and fabrication.

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Originally posted by eamon o
hows the stomach? some say that negative emotion especially hate has adverse health effects, like ulcers, cancer, problems getting it up.
If chili and hot sausage isn't going to burn my stomach... hate isn't going to hurt it much either. Hating is easy, it's no strain on my system at all. I don't even have to think about it, it comes natural.

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