Originally posted by SuzianneMy entire point was that being straight in a "gay world", one would find immeasurably less intolerance and bias than a gay person does in this "straight world".
My entire point was that being straight in a "gay world", one would find immeasurably less intolerance and bias than a gay person does in this "straight world".
Of course it's always been around. There's just a little less intolerance being shown about it these days than in the past. Years gone by, you'd be plain stupid to admit being gay for fe ...[text shortened]... ft but a bony torso. Thank God there's less intolerance to it these days. It took long enough.
Are you sure about that? Domestic violence among gays and lesbians is highly under-reported... and when have you ever heard about it in the news whenever it is reported? And for those of you reading this who think reported means the same as news, I'm talking about reported to police.
Less than a year ago in my area a lesbian couple were planning on getting married, so they went to a Christian bakery to have a wedding cake made for them. The Christian bakery said no, so the couple went to the local news outlets to tell their sad story and threatened to sue the bakery. It wasn't long before the bakery was forced to shut down because of all the news reports... few people were willing to be seen going into their establishment. And even though the lesbian couple managed to force them out of business they still intended on trying to sue the bakery... yeah, right, lots of luck getting a cash settlement from penniless bakers after causing them to go out of business.
What you did not hear in the news reports but anyone with a shred of common sense could have figured out is, WHY did that couple choose to go to a Christian bakery? There are dozens of local bakeries they could have gone to, and many of them are run and managed by people who sympathize with gays and lesbians. So why that particular bakery?
Isn't it obvious? They wanted to celebrate their new life together by putting a Christian bakery out of business, or at the very least give them a very hard time of it.
How sweet. All marriages should be celebrated by the loving couple harassing the people they hate...
Because after all, isn't that what marriage is all about? 😕
Originally posted by divegeesterI've worked with police and attorneys on and off for about 20 years. What I've said isn't exactly a secret, and it goes without saying that most gays and lesbians are well aware of the problems that can (and have) come up among themselves.
How do you know this?
As far as the bakery story goes, anyone in this area would know about that story because it was on the news almost every day for a good two weeks. Local news outlets are like the national ones, they know how to milk a story for all it's worth.... and imo for all it isn't worth.
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Originally posted by lemon limeCome on, LL, there are stupid people (who want everything their way) on both sides of the tracks, okay?
[b]My entire point was that being straight in a "gay world", one would find immeasurably less intolerance and bias than a gay person does in this "straight world".
Are you sure about that? Domestic violence among gays and lesbians is highly under-reported... and when have you ever heard about it in the news whenever it is reported? And for t ...[text shortened]... arassing the people they hate...
Because after all, isn't that what marriage is all about? 😕[/b]
30 Jul 14
Originally posted by lemon limeWHY did that couple choose to go to a Christian bakery? There are dozens of local bakeries they could have gone to, and many of them are run and managed by people who sympathize with gays and lesbians. So why that particular bakery?
Isn't it obvious? They wanted to celebrate their new life together by putting a Christian bakery out of business, or at the very least give them a very hard time of it.
How sweet. All marriages should be celebrated by the loving couple harassing the people they hate...
You got any links ~ including any statements by the couple ~ to substantiate any of this?
30 Jul 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieNo need to reply in your clan forum style.
Well it depends what you are slobbering about but to be accurate the UK remains partially metric. You watch snooker? wow, about a snoring as golf, man i am yawning just thinking about it and when Bagpuss goes to sleep all his friends go to sleep as well, the mice on the mice organ. . . . . . and then hes just a saggy old cloth cat, but Emily loves him.
Your post implied that the metric system is now normally used in the UK.The BBC uses feet and inches in the snooker so I asked a simple question.My fault though - I should have known better than to ask an idiot like you.
A bit surprised you don't like snooker.It's one of the few sports that your country have a few world champions.
Originally posted by biffo konkerDo you think the BBC snooker should be held as some kind of standard measurement? No? then you are slobbering. We were also world champions at elephant polo and yet strangely enough try as i might i cannot bring myself to cultivate a taste for the sport. I do not contribute to the clan forum any longer for i refuse to associate in anyway with persons who have termed me a piece of $hit. Idiot I can take.
No need to reply in your clan forum style.
Your post implied that the metric system is now normally used in the UK.The BBC uses feet and inches in the snooker so I asked a simple question.My fault though - I should have known better than to ask an idiot like you.
A bit surprised you don't like snooker.It's one of the few sports that your country have a few world champions.
30 Jul 14
Originally posted by SuzianneLook at this statement again and show me how it isn't inherently self serving:
Come on, LL, there are stupid people (who want everything their way) on both sides of the tracks, okay?
My entire point was that being straight in a "gay world", one would find immeasurably less intolerance and bias than a gay person does in this "straight world".
Now do a simple substitution test, for example...
[ My entire point was that being a liberal in a "conservative world", one would find immeasurably less intolerance and bias than a conservative does in this "liberal world". ]
[ My entire point was that being an atheist in a "religious world", one would find immeasurably less intolerance and bias than a religious person does in this "godless world". ]
Those are two examples of how to do a substitution test. You can do this with any two commonly defined groups of people. Or you can instead recognize how humanity as a whole is flawed, and what it means to divide all of humanity into groups and suggest one of those groups is less flawed than the others.
I'm not telling you what you should or shouldn't believe. I'm not telling you what your opinions should be, or what you should think about any of this... all I'm asking is that you do think about it.
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Originally posted by divegeesterNot everyone who reports a crime follows through. It doesn't mean a report isn't filed by someone because officers must file a report no matter what happens whenever they are called. A victim can change his or or mind if he or she doesn't want to press charges, nevertheless a report of the call will show up somewhere. In some states even if a victim changes his/her mind someone can be arrested if officers clearly see signs of abuse... like cuts and scrapes and bruises and what have you.
If as you say most of these crimes are not reported, then how would working with police and attorneys make the data appear to you?
I didn't say most of these crimes are not reported, I said they are under-reported. I've already said enough (more than I had intended) for you to connect the dots.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI don't need anything that fancy... and I'm not about to spend a thousand dollars for something I won't be wearing every day. I was thinking of something more along the lines of what these fine gentlemen are wearing...
LOL, those aren't real kilts.
Let me put it in perspective, a real kilt is a single piece of material called a plaid (from the Gaelic meaning blanket), around twelve to fifteen feet in length (sigh why i must resort to imperial measurements in this day and age is beyond me) and is dexterously folded around the body and thrown over the shoulder. ...[text shortened]... ok like a chick.
Check out these real kilts.
http://www.your-kilt.com/scottish-plaids.html
Dressed to impress? Okay, maybe... but a thousand dollars? No way!
31 Jul 14
Originally posted by FMFThe couple did not appear on camera. Apparently they wished to remain anonymous.
[b]WHY did that couple choose to go to a Christian bakery? There are dozens of local bakeries they could have gone to, and many of them are run and managed by people who sympathize with gays and lesbians. So why that particular bakery?
Isn't it obvious? They wanted to celebrate their new life together by putting a Christian bakery out of business, or at the v ...[text shortened]... /b]
You got any links ~ including any statements by the couple ~ to substantiate any of this?
The married couple who ran the business appeared on camera, as well as a handful of 'man on the street' type of interviews. Opinion was divided down the middle, some were sympathetic with the lesbian couple and some believed the couple intentionally targeted the Christian business. One of those interviews was especially interesting to me... she said she knew the couple, and they were well aware of what it was they were trying to accomplish. The couple was either going to bully the business into going along with them or they would go to the news outlets with their 'sad story' of rejection. And it worked. They were able to manipulate public opinion in their favor and cause that little mom and pop enterprise to go out of business.
My main point here is that they knew what they were doing. Instead of going to and supporting a business they knew would say yes to them, they instead chose to target a business run by people they hated because of their beliefs. And given the political climate in this particular area they couldn't lose... it would have been a victory for them either way, whether they got what they said they wanted or not.