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Originally posted by FMF
All domestic violence is under-reported.

True. But how many times do reported cases of violence among heterosexual couples show up in local new cast stories, as opposed to news stories of domestic violence among homosexual couples? If new stations are willing to report stories of violence on hetero couples but not on examples of homosexual couples, the public can easily get the impression it rarely if ever happens among gays and lesbians.

Domestic violence is not limited to any particular social or economic or racially or sexually oriented group... that would be a ridiculous assumption. But if you trust that the news you see on TV is fair and reliable and truly representative of reality, then you might be inclined to ignore your own capacity for common sense reasoning in favor of what you are being led to believe.

Originally posted by lemon lime

But how many times do reported cases of violence among heterosexual couples show up in local new cast stories, as opposed to news stories of domestic violence among homosexual couples? If new stations are willing to report stories of violence on hetero couples but not on examples of homosexual couples, the public can easily get the impression it rarely if ever happens among gays and lesbians.

So, what data about TV coverage did your "police and attorneys" friends show you?

Originally posted by FMF
[b]But how many times do reported cases of violence among heterosexual couples show up in local new cast stories, as opposed to news stories of domestic violence among homosexual couples? If new stations are willing to report stories of violence on hetero couples but not on examples of homosexual couples, the public can easily get the impression it rarely ...[text shortened]... sbians.

So, what data about TV coverage did your "police and attorneys" friends show you?[/b]

I don't know what you do for a living, but you clearly have no idea what role I played working within the system. I've already stated that I've said more than I had intended to say, so if you're fishing for more information...

I can say this, if it was a full time gig I don't think I would have stayed with it for more than a few years. I quit after 20 years because people like me have a very short shelf life when it comes to dealing with the ugly side of human nature. I could deal with it as long as it wasn't every day, but as it turned out 20 years working only part time became too much for me. I don't know how anyone can deal with this stuff 8 hours a day 7 days a week... but the fact is some people are able to deal with it day after day.

And since you appear to be fishing for info, I will also toss this bone your way. I did not work undercover... I'm not sly enough. And I can't say for sure what exactly my value was, especially in light of how my advice was rarely taken (I mostly served in an advisory capacity) but apparently it was worth something to someone... I quit over the objections of my immediate supervisor.

I had no job title anyone here would understand... in fact to this day it still doesn't mean anything to me. My job title was basically a handful of letters and numbers. So again, it probably meant something to someone...

Originally posted by lemon lime
I don't know what you do for a living, but you clearly have no idea what role I played working within the system. I've already stated that I've said more than I had intended to say, so if you're fishing for more information...

I can say this, if it was a full time gig I don't think I would have stayed with it for more than a few years. I quit af ...[text shortened]... lly a handful of letters and numbers. So again, it probably meant something to someone...

This autobiographical stuff is all well and good but not an answer. You have made an interesting claim about the "under-reporting" of homosexual domestic violence based on ~ and you were specific ~ what your "police and attorney" friends have told you. What data or evidence about TV coverage did they show you? And what information do you have about the criteria used by broadcasters to decide what kinds of domestic violence stories are and are not deemed newsworthy?

Originally posted by FMF
This autobiographical stuff is all well and good but not an answer. You have made an interesting claim about the "under-reporting" of homosexual domestic violence based on ~ and you were specific ~ what your "police and attorney" friends have told you. What data or evidence about TV coverage did they show you? And what information do you have about the criteria ...[text shortened]... roadcasters to decide what kinds of domestic violence stories are and are not deemed newsworthy?

I think you're getting the timeline here a bit mixed up, or mixed in together. I haven't done this work for over 15 years. It was over 15 years ago that I quit. So my "police and attorney" friends haven't told me anything about a story that aired within this last year.

As far as any 'data' is concerned wolf is probably correct when he says there must be something about this to be found on the internet. I didn't bother trying to find a link to something I already have personal knowledge of, and why would I? Most of you undoubtedly have more experience doing internet research than I do, so why any of you would think it's up to me to find this information for you is puzzling...

Originally posted by FMF
This autobiographical stuff is all well and good but not an answer. You have made an interesting claim about the "under-reporting" of homosexual domestic violence based on ~ and you were specific ~ what your "police and attorney" friends have told you. What data or evidence about TV coverage did they show you? And what information do you have about the criteria ...[text shortened]... roadcasters to decide what kinds of domestic violence stories are and are not deemed newsworthy?

I'm not judging the local news channels for how they do their coverage. Two of the four channels I watch don't appear to be doing anything wrong, but are simply being competitive with the other channels. The other two channels I'm not so sure about, but this is just a gut feeling so I really don't have much to say about how they operate or what pressures they may be under to not piss off the local gentry*.








*liberal democrats pretty much run this town, as well as the entire state... and have for many years.

Originally posted by lemon lime
Most of you undoubtedly have more experience doing internet research than I do, so why any of you would think it's up to me to find this information for you is puzzling...

You made a claim about homosexual couples and about TV coverage and now you're saying it's me [and others] who have to research it and substantiate it? 🙂

Originally posted by lemon lime
I'm not judging the local news channels for how they do their coverage. Two of the four channels I watch don't appear to be doing anything wrong, but are simply being competitive with the other channels.

Do you think the TV channels you watch cover 'homosexuality-related' issues well then?

Originally posted by lemon lime
As far as any 'data' is concerned wolf is probably correct when he says there must be something about this to be found on the internet. I didn't bother trying to find a link to something I already have personal knowledge of, and why would I?

Because the claim that "Domestic violence among gays and lesbians is highly under-reported" is not wolfgang59's claim, it is your claim.

Originally posted by FMF
Because the claim that "Domestic violence among gays and lesbians is highly under-reported" is not wolfgang59's claim, it is your claim.

Let me guess... you come from an upper middle class family and both of your parents worked, which means you are the next generation of latch key kids who grew up in front of a computer screen as well as a television set.

Am I close?

No? Then how about this, you grew up in a single parent household and no one worked.

How about now? Am I getting warm?

Originally posted by lemon lime
Let me guess... you come from an upper middle class family and both of your parents worked, which means you are the next generation of latch key kids who grew up in front of a computer screen as well as a television set.

Am I close?

No? Then how about this, you grew up in a single parent household and no one worked.

How about now? Am I getting warm?

You seem to be deflecting some straight forward questions about an interesting topic [and claim] you have raised.

Originally posted by lemon lime
In some states even if a victim changes his/her mind someone can be arrested if officers clearly see signs of abuse...

Your implication is that in other states the Law is powerless?
Don't daft!

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Your implication is that in other states the Law is powerless?
Don't daft!

Good grief... you're a teacher?! My kids understood how this works when they were in high school. There are federal laws and state laws. Federal laws apply to all the states.

State laws are more flexible in that states are allowed to make and enforce law tailor made and relevant to their own particular location and population. Not all states need to deal with the exact same problems in the exact same way... because not all states have the exact same problems in the exact same proportions.

Do you wear a one size fits all pair of shoes? For the sake of your students use your head, teacher man!

Originally posted by FMF
You seem to be deflecting some straight forward questions about an interesting topic [and claim] you have raised.

Under what authority are you asking these questions and claiming a right to have them answered?

What law enforcement agency do you work for?

Originally posted by lemon lime
Under what authority are you asking these questions and claiming a right to have them answered?

What law enforcement agency do you work for?

Your contention that domestic violence among gays and lesbians is "highly under-reported" is interesting. Your somewhat flustered comments since being asked about it have been less interesting.