10 Nov 04
Originally posted by ivangriceWell then the site isn't for you Ivangrice. Judging from the amount of responses from the world on the site, I'd say this election was of great interest to the world. And I'm glad to see so many people willing to say their country is doing something wrong, rather than defending it like it can DO no wrong. I think that says a lot. And the world needs to see it.
Good Lord - guys, get over it. It was just an election. One team was elected over a slightly better or worse team, depending on your viewpoint. When will some Americans understand that their domestic affairs aren't of central importance to every last individual on the planet?
ncrosby🙂
10 Nov 04
Hi everyone. I'm glad you liked the site. I think that RHP democrats contributed to its wild overnight success! It is now the www.michaelmoore.com "link of the week," and CNN did a little news story on it Monday night; they even interviewed the creator!
You can now access the site again via http://www.sorryeverybody.com , but http://72.3.131.10/ is MUCH faster.
Anyway, I have just a little something to say to the people that didn't like it: Nobody is forcing you to look at it the way you are forcing us to accept that dubya is president for four more oppressive years! Here's a quote from the faq: "Why don't you just accept that Bush won and get on with your lives? We have. That's why we're so sorry."
I have two favorites so far. I love the one with The Simpsons (of course). It says, "Lisa for president in 2008." Right on! I also like the one with dubya all made up to look like one of the Borg from Star Trek, and it says, "Resistance is Futile." I have it as my wallpaper!
10 Nov 04
Anyway, I have just a little something to say to the people that didn't like it: Nobody is forcing you to look at it the way you are forcing us to accept that dubya is president for four more oppressive years!I didn't like the site, but as a Briton I haven't forced *anyone* to accept *anyone* as President.
I find it difficult to accept that Kerry = super, smashing, marvellous and Bush = rending, wailing and gnashing of teeth. The difference between their Presidencies would surely not have been so significant: America still has national interests, money still needs to get made and human nature doesn't change with a change of administration.
10 Nov 04
Originally posted by ivangriceI don't think anybody has said that Kerry = super, smashing and marvellous.
I find it difficult to accept that Kerry = super, smashing, marvellous and Bush = rending, wailing and gnashing of teeth.
I think, and I can only speak for myself, that people were so pissed off because bush had shown his true colours for 4 years: he was lazy, arrogant, dumb, had economically unsound budgets, blatantly in the pockets of the corporations and blatantly a warmonger.
What I had hoped would happen is that the american public would see that bush has ordered the deaths of over 100,000 innocent civillians in Afganistan and Iraq, and strive for change. Even though Kerry was pro- war and probably as corrupt as bush is, I felt that if bush got ousted by the american public, and the exit polls showed that he had been ousted because of his wanton disregard of foreign lives, then Kerry would have to adjust his policies accordingly.
As it stands, bush has been given a vote of confidence by americans, and now, I'm sure, must feel that he can do absolutely anything he wants during the next 4 years, and will more than likely invade another country leading to the deaths of countless more innocent civilians.
As for domestic policy, I just can't believe that americans aren't up in arms against civil liberty abuses like the Patrio Act and the state of the american economy which is on a short term high due to the war, but will have to sink in the medium term due to massive, record deficits and poor economic policies. I think americans think that the Patriot Act only affects suspected terrorists. Well what is a suspected terrorist? He's a normal citizen like EVD, slimjim or chancre. So the Patriot Act affects every man, woman and child in america. Any one of you could be carted off to Guantanamo Bay at any time for years at a time, with no hope of any type of basic human rights.
Here's to 4 more years of terror. 🙁
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10 Nov 04
Originally posted by RagnorakI'm no expert on US politics, and I'm certainly no expert on US society, but...
I don't think anybody has said that Kerry = super, smashing and marvellous.
I think, and I can only speak for myself, that people were so pissed off because bush had shown his true colours for 4 years: he was lazy, arrogant, dumb, had economically unsound budgets, blatantly in the pockets of the corporations and blatantly a warmonger.
What I had ...[text shortened]... e, with no hope of any type of basic human rights.
Here's to 4 more years of terror. 🙁
D
The actions of *one man* determine the way the US is governed? I would imagine not. I would imagine that President Bush is supported by many Senators and Congressmen. I would also imagine that the machinery of government in the US has to be worked by more than one man. Are people sorry about Bush being the unacceptable face of America, or sorry about the Republican party running the machinery of government?
If the former, they are naive. If the latter, they should be honest about it and stop projecting all their frustrations onto one man.
Regarding the Patriot Act, if I read it correctly then we have something like it in the UK - the Anti-terrorism Act. Yes, it curtails human rights. It also tries to protect the people from terrorist attack. There was apparently quite a serious terrorist attack in New York in 2001. I guess the Americans would like to try and prevent a repeat. Some rights may suffer. Is it a fair exchange? Let the people decide.
Terror is manifest throughout the world. The US certainly doesn't have a monopoly on it.
10 Nov 04
Originally posted by hopscotchWould you like some 'cheese' with that 'whine'? 🙄
I agree, it's as though we're expected to feel sorry for this little minority of supposedly enlightened U.S. citizens who have the NERVE to apologize to the rest of the world for their president. I wouldn't give a toss if Bush or Kerry won the election, neither one would have improved anything, or effected any dissipation of hatred for their country.
...[text shortened]... , and that frustration has grown from more than just disgust at the ignorance of your president.
10 Nov 04
Originally posted by RagnorakHe, he,...I've been to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The diving is some of the best in the Caribbean, the enlisted club has dollar longnecks on Tuesday nights, the Navy chicks are friendly, and the terrorists are safely locked away...😉
I don't think anybody has said that Kerry = super, smashing and marvellous.
I think, and I can only speak for myself, that people were so pissed off because bush had shown his true colours for 4 years: he was lazy, arrogant, dumb, had economically unsound budgets, blatantly in the pockets of the corporations and blatantly a warmonger.
What I had ...[text shortened]... e, with no hope of any type of basic human rights.
Here's to 4 more years of terror. 🙁
D
My civil liberties have NEVER beeen affected. The Patriot Act has not affected me one bit, and if it were to affect me in any way, it would be a minor inconvenience compared to worrying if someone were about to hijack my plane....if one has nothing to hide, the PA will only inconvenience slightly...big deal...I think we need a national ID card that will prevent illegals from entering and obtaining jobs illegally in the US...am I wrong for that?
The economy?....350,000 new jobs were added since the election....
And you naively mention the deaths of civilians caused by Americans; what about the INNOCENT civilians killed by all of the suicide bombers who randomly set off bombs near school buses, restaurants, etc....you are so biased that you're blind to this fact, and it's almost comical...except that people are dying....😲
11 Nov 04
Originally posted by jimmyb270Chancre doesn't give a rats ass so long as something doesn't affect him personally.
http://www.nanowrimo.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8532&forum=159
Minor inconvenience eh?
Check out his comment which was made in response to bbar's post about Reagan...
bbarr
Helping to overthrow democratically elected regimes in Latin America, violating US law by supporting the Contras, convicted by the World Court of violations of international law against Nicaragua, providing chemical and biological agents to Saddam Hussein, while covertly selling arms to Iran, providing military aid to Suharto's genocidal campaign against the Timorese, etc. etc. etc. These things helped to restore pride and honor to the US military?
chancremechanic
It's a hell of a resume isn't it? I didn't say he was faultless, just that he increased my standard of living, responded to Moamar Kaddafi, the Achille Lauro, defeated Gorbachav and Communism, helped free millions of Eastern Europeans, helped Hussein (the lesser of two devils at the time) fight the dreaded Iranians, and allowed 8 million illegals to remain in the US (a major mistake on his part).
So long as the patriot act doesn't affect his standard of living, no problem. So long as the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis getting killed doesn't affect his standard of living, no problem. So long as thousands of possibly guilty people having zero human rights and being treated by animals doesn't directly affect his standard of living, no problem. So long as Nicaraguans and Vietnamese being forced into slavery by american corporations doesn't affect his standard of living, then no problem.
Its sickening and I hope this attittude never comes back to haunt u.
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