27 Mar 08
Originally posted by ludzIn case there any other "wiseguys", this goes to you too.
Just to prove that you are either clowning your way around, are a pathological liar or are completely illiterate; show us a document (from the likes of McAfee, Symantec, Spywareinfo) stating that the Zlob Trojans infiltrate through the Firefox browser.
27 Mar 08
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Originally posted by Bad wolfYour "reasoning" is bogus because it is not backed up with any evidence to show it is not the result of a brain malfunction. I repeat, in case you forgot your "reasoning" - Zlob trojans cannot infiltrate through the Firefox browser. If you have any evidence to the contrary, please submit it.
I've explained my reasoning, you have provided little counter-argument, short of "firefox is so brilliant, it's free and secure, prove otherwise". 😕
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Originally posted by ludzDo you have any evidence to show that it can't infiltrate through Firefox?
Your "reasoning" is bogus because it is not backed up with any evidence to show it is not the result of a brain malfunction. I repeat, in case you forgot your "reasoning" - Zlob trojans cannot infiltrate through the Firefox browser. If you have any evidence to the contrary, please submit it.
Seriously, don't spout that my reasoning is bogus, when quite clearly you have yet to provide evidence yourself either.
I've made myself quite clear, "Just because firefox may not use activex, it doesn't mean that a certain video or audio files can't still ask you to install this supposed 'activex' anyway, on firefox..."
i.e. it was not actually Activex, but I thought it was.
Do you see the flaw in your argument yet?
Explain why Zlob trojans cannot infiltrate through Firefox, even this way, and maybe I'll start looking for evidence, but as far as I'm concerned, the burden of proof is upon you, you've made the claim that Firefox is so immune, yet you yourself have yet to provide a single reason for it, and nothing that explains away my counterarguments.
27 Mar 08
Originally posted by Bad wolfUhm...
Do you have any evidence to show that it can't infiltrate through Firefox?
Seriously, don't spout that my reasoning is bogus, when quite clearly you have yet to provide evidence yourself either.
I've made myself quite clear, "Just because firefox may not use activex, it doesn't mean that a certain video or audio files can't still ask you to install this s ...[text shortened]... provide a single reason for it, and nothing that explains away my counterarguments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zlob_trojan
The Zlob Trojan, also known as Trojan.Zlob, is a trojan horse which masquerades as a needed video codec in the form of ActiveX to view (usually) pornographic films. It was first detected in late 2005. However, it wasn't until mid-2006 that it starting gaining attention.[1] Once installed, it displays popup ads with appearance similar to real Microsoft Windows warning popups, informing the user that their computer is infected with spyware. Clicking these popups trigger the download of a fake anti-spyware program in which the trojan horse is hidden.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActiveX
ActiveX components are only compatible with a Microsoft web browser and a Microsoft operating system.
What ludz fails to understand is that the problem you are experiencing may be some other form of trojan/malware you could've inadvertently installed while using FireFox, although it is more difficult to do (but definitely possible), as FF is more 'idiot proof'.
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Originally posted by CrowleyYes, exactly, this is all I'm trying to get across. Firefox may not need Activex, (and I did not know this before), but it may have been another program, calling itself an Activex that is required, but clearly not actually being it, instead being some other form of malware.
Uhm...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zlob_trojan
The Zlob Trojan, also known as Trojan.Zlob, is a trojan horse which masquerades as a needed video codec in the form of ActiveX to view (usually) pornographic films. It was first detected in late 2005. However, it wasn't until mid-2006 that it starting gaining attention.[1] Once installed, it displays popu although it is more difficult to do (but definitely possible), as FF is more 'idiot proof'.
It was actually the Zlob trojan, I remember the spyware removal thing naming it, but it still masqueraded as an ActiveX, as basically in this case the only way it was masquerading as an ActiveX was that a smaller window/pop up came up on the same page, quite reasonable looking, asking me to install this so called 'ActiveX' to get the video to work.
To put it bluntly though, it was not an ActiveX, at all,
so any notion that ActiveX does not work with Firefox goes out the window.
That's all I'm trying to say.
27 Mar 08
Originally posted by ludzYou shouldn't spout such balderdash on a public forum - some innocent passerby might actually believe you. 😕
Your "reasoning" is bogus because it is not backed up with any evidence to show it is not the result of a brain malfunction. I repeat, in case you forgot your "reasoning" - Zlob trojans cannot infiltrate through the Firefox browser. If you have any evidence to the contrary, please submit it.
FACT.
Zlob trojans can be picked up with any browser - and even Mac OSs are at risk nowadays.
27 Mar 08
Originally posted by Bad wolfNot sure I understand you there, or you may be misunderstanding.
Yes, exactly, this is all I'm trying to get across. Firefox may not need Activex, (and I did not know this before), but it may have been another program, calling itself an Activex that is required, but clearly not actually being it, instead being some other form of malware.
It was actually the Zlob trojan, I remember the spyware removal thing naming it, bu ...[text shortened]... that ActiveX does not work with Firefox goes out the window.
That's all I'm trying to say.
FireFox does not natively support ActiveX as far as I know. You may have used FF to download something else you installed and this was the way the trojan infected your system.
Zlob (and any ActiveX control) doesn't explicitly need IE - you only need a MS OS.
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27 Mar 08
Originally posted by CrowleyI'll try to be more clear, what I downloaded was not an ActiveX per se, I downloaded something that can be considered 'something else', but something that still called itself an ActiveX anyway. That's how it infected.
Not sure I understand you there, or you may be misunderstanding.
FireFox does not natively support ActiveX as far as I know. You may have used FF to download something else you installed and this was the way the trojan infected your system.
Zlob (and any ActiveX control) doesn't explicitly need IE - you only need a MS OS.
I'm agreeing with you!
27 Mar 08
Originally posted by Crowley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zlob_trojan
The Zlob Trojan, also known as Trojan.Zlob, is a trojan horse which masquerades as a needed video codec in the form of ActiveX to view (usually) pornographic films. It was first detected in late 2005. However, it wasn't until mid-2006 that it starting gaining attention.[1] Once installed, it displays popup ads with appearance similar to real Microsoft Windows warning popups, informing the user that their computer is infected with spyware. Clicking these popups trigger the download of a fake anti-spyware program in which the trojan horse is hidden.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActiveX
ActiveX components are only compatible with a Microsoft web browser and a Microsoft operating system.
I don't have to add anything the above statement speaks for itself. Can anyone tell me why exploits that work with IE, don't work with Firefox?
27 Mar 08
Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveNot discounting the fact that you are an old dude, we are not in the 1920s. If Zlob trojans get in through Activex and Firefox doesn't support Activex, how can this be?
You shouldn't spout such balderdash on a public forum - some innocent passerby might actually believe you. 😕
FACT.
Zlob trojans can be picked up with any browser - and even Mac OSs are at risk nowadays.
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Originally posted by ludzHave you not considered that Zlob trojans need not only just get in through ActiveX? What if you simply downloaded it in the same way you would anything else, installing it mistakingly?
Not discounting the fact that you are an old dude, we are not in the 1920s. If Zlob trojans get in through Activex and Firefox doesn't support Activex, how can this be?
This is what I've repeatedly tried to say, but you aren't listening.
I must say ludz, that this is like talking to a brick wall.
listen carefully:
Trojan.Zlob, is a trojan horse which masquerades as a needed video codec in the form of ActiveX
Will you please note one thing, the word masquerade, one definition of many being "to go about under false pretenses or a false character", I must point out that this meaning does therefore not preclude any notion of the Zlob Trojan pretending to be an ActiveX thing, looking similar to, in appearance and wording, but not using ActiveX per se to be installed.
28 Mar 08
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Originally posted by ludzIf an activex is required in Firefox you get a prompt to decide whether to allow it or not.
Not discounting the fact that you are an old dude, we are not in the 1920s. If Zlob trojans get in through Activex and Firefox doesn't support Activex, how can this be?
You don't actually use Firefox do you sludge?