27 Jun 12
Originally posted by kevcvs57Why? If the book were any good, wouldn't brisk sales indicate that more and more people have an understanding of why serial killers kill? Isn't that a positive outcome?
But it would be depressing to see it turning up on the best seller lists.
27 Jun 12
Originally posted by FMFYes, it appears to me that merely being a recipient itself gives some kind of credence,
Yes I would be able to, although I don't think I'm going to. You said something about 'somehow giving credence to his opinions merely by reading them'. This strikes me as peculiar form of self-censorship. You really think the reality - the credence - of his opinions is somehow affected by you knowing what they are?
not to the actual validity of his ideas, but his right or otherwise to express them. I
dunno FMF, I have already a feeling of an attempt at manipulation. I can understand
that its not a very rational way to approach a prospective book, but it it what it is.
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27 Jun 12
Originally posted by FMFI agree. You learn very little if you stay within certain boundries. You really have to step outside your box.
To pick up on one of the interesting points you made in your OP: I read things I disagree with all the time; I make a point of it. I cannot imagine how one lives an independent intellectual life without doing so.
27 Jun 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieReading the book wouldn't be giving credence to the author's opinions as much as it would be an effort to examine or
Scottish writer Ian Rankin has said of this book, that its the only book he would like to
burn. The gates of Janus is an attempt to explain why serial killers, kill. Its written by
Ian Brady, infamous in the UK for killing a number of children, with an accomplice,
Myra Hindley, in the 1960's. I would like to read it but there are so many issu ...[text shortened]... in this way. Would you read a book written by a psychopathic and remorseless
serial killer?
define those opinions. As repugnant as the subject matter may be, I think it's vitally important to know your enemy.
27 Jun 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI think the word "credence" pertains to "the actual validity of his ideas" not to his "rights". You have no control or influence over either, for all intents and purposes. This "validity" pertains to the ideas themselves. You can reject them or accept them, but their "credence" is unaffected by whether you know or don't know what his ideas are. Indeed, I would say that your opinion on the validity of his ideas could be said to have no "credence" if you refuse to let yourself know what they are.
Yes, it appears to me that merely being a recipient itself gives some kind of credence, not to the actual validity of his ideas, but his right or otherwise to express them.
27 Jun 12
Originally posted by HandyAndyhmmm i think to a criminologist it might give insight, although the reviews have stated
Reading the book wouldn't be giving credence to the author's opinions as much as it would be an effort to examine or
define those opinions. As repugnant as the subject matter may be, I think it's vitally important to know your enemy.
that there is nothing of any great originality in it, its apparently verbose and bombastic,
already i am sorry for having started this thread on its basis and have determined not
to read it.
27 Jun 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhy? Do you think hearing the opinions of posters who see this issue differently from you has given "credence" to those posters' opinions or is it that you feel manipulated by us? 😵
already i am sorry for having started this thread
27 Jun 12
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Originally posted by FMFIf there is no recipient for his ideas, they fall, like silent raindrops, they cannot exist of
I think the word "credence" pertains to "the actual validity of his ideas" not to his "rights". You have no control or influence over either, for all intents and purposes. This "validity" pertains to the ideas themselves. You can reject them or accept them, but their "credence" is unaffected by whether you know or don't know what his ideas are. Indeed, I would s ...[text shortened]... uld be said to have no "credence" if you refuse to let yourself know what they are.
themselves , they need a recipient for their validity and I have decided dear
FMF to have nothing more to do with them, he should go silent to the grave for the
gravity of his crimes demands it!
27 Jun 12
Originally posted by FMFI know, to a certain extent that you are not sinister and have no malicious intent, I
Why? Do you think hearing the opinions of posters who see this issue differently from you has given "credence" to those posters' opinions or is it that you feel manipulated by us? 😵
cannot say the same thing about Brady.
27 Jun 12
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI don't think insights and ideas of these kinds being lost is likely to be of benefit to anybody. The "gravity of his crimes demands" that his rationale be as understood as clearly as possible. The "gravity of his crimes demands" anything but silence. You should make a personal decision about whether you want to read it or not, but I would be disappointed if you sought to prevent others from having the same freedom as you by banning it.
If there is no recipient for his ideas, they fall, like silent raindrops, they cannot exists of
themselves , they need a recipient for their validity and I have decided dear
FMF to have nothing more to do with them, he should go silent to the grave for the
gravity of his crimes demands it!
27 Jun 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieNeither will I. But your thread may already have inspired a few others to give it a closer look.
hmmm i think to a criminologist it might give insight, although the reviews have stated
that there is nothing of any great originality in it, its apparently verbose and bombastic,
already i am sorry for having started this thread on its basis and have determined not
to read it.
27 Jun 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYes.
Scottish writer Ian Rankin has said of this book, that its the only book he would like to
burn. The gates of Janus is an attempt to explain why serial killers, kill. Its written by
Ian Brady, infamous in the UK for killing a number of children, with an accomplice,
Myra Hindley, in the 1960's. I would like to read it but there are so many issu ...[text shortened]... in this way. Would you read a book written by a psychopathic and remorseless
serial killer?
The book (s) of 'Chopper'. one Michael Brandon Reid has become a bestseller in Australia.
I've only seen the movie and I give it 5 stars. (And I dont hand out stars easily)
I have found many various people fascinated by "chopper" and his tales.
(The film notoriously mentions at the start that it is only a dramatization and narrative liberties have been taken. I say "crap"!! It's as close to the truth as you could get. )
27 Jun 12
It's weird because all the characters in "Chopper" are appalling.
Chopper, all the inmates, all the 'screws', all the druggies, the prostitute.
Even the numerous people that visit "Bojangles", the scene of (I think) his last murder.
I dislike every character, yet I find the movie just amazing.
Eric Bana and the director (forget his name right now) should be given Oscars or whatever.
Outstanding film.
and a great original music score by one Peter Harvey - possibly the most underated aussie musician in my book