Originally posted by ncrosbyyes, it's jay can dance
Is that what your user means jcandance? j can dance? whenever I see it i read it all together like my name is my first initial and last name, so n crosby, ncrosby. i thought maybe your last name was candance...🙄
i used to dance and teach a little swing dancing.
Originally posted by D43M0N***SPOILERS***
what was with the main character dying?
The ending was foreshadowed when Neo met the Architect in Reloaded.
He had to die. That was the whole point of likening him to Jesus. Neo dies to save Zion. Personally, I think that's only one side of the coin with Neo's death. The other interpretation is that Neo = n and Smith = -n. n + -n = 0. It is explicitly stated in the movies that Agent Smith is the opposite of Neo. The exact inverse. Add the two together, and the result is zero/null/void. Neo realized the only way to erase Smith was to combine with him.
I really enjoyed all three of the Matrix movies, but the dialogue in this third installment has got to be the worst of the bunch. With so much attention being paid to meticulously-rendered battle scenes and hidden references to obscure Gnostic mythology and Buddhist philosophy, one would think they could hire a competent writer (or script editor for that matter).
Neo: Trinity, you can't die.
Trinity: Yes I can.
*puke*
Some other things to ponder:
1) Mobil Ave: Did anyone else get that Mobil is an anagram for limbo?
2) The little girl's name is Sati (sati was the Indian tradition of a wife burning herself alive on her husband's funeral pyre). I have no idea how her name ties into the significance of her character (a useless program being hidden). Any ideas?
3) Why was Persephone back with the Merovingian? And does anyone else think that her programmatic purpose is to determine what love is?
4) Did you notive that there's no software in APUs (those MechWarrior-type things), it's all direct-servo. So why does the EMP blast affect them?
5) Smith is unable to fly in Reloaded, but he can in Revolutions. Does anyone think it's because he assimilated Seraph, or did I miss something?
That's it for now. I'm certain that I'll think of more stuff later. Oh, yeah, the following link is to an amusing article regarding Hugo Weaving's awesome performance: http://www.msnbc.com/news/987101.asp?0bl=-0&cp1=1
Originally posted by Poison GodmachineLimbo, hey. Didn't think of that, nice. Don't really know much about the Sati thing.
some other things to ponder:
1) Mobil Ave: Did anyone else get that Mobil is an anagram for limbo?
2) The little girl's name is Sati (sati was the Indian tradition of a wife burning herself alive on her husband's funeral p ...[text shortened]... hink it's because he assimilated Seraph, or did I miss something?
Persephone being back with the merovingian is a strange one, they shouldn't really have been, I think.
The APU's, although servo actuated must have contained some sort of software. Bipedal robots are very complicated due to the need for balance, without software it would be quite difficult for them to work efficiently. Another thing is EMP doesn't just affect software it will also affect current flow ( I think).
Smith flying, I'm not sure on this one. I don't think it was really explained where that came from. Seraph couldn't fly so why Smith would be able to, after assimilating Seraph, I don't know. I do know that one of the merovingians gaurds did refer to Seraph as "Wing-less" So you might have a point. I think, though, that the ability to fly was possibly just Smiths accumulation of power within the Matrix.
Jim
i think smith could fly becasue he had the same powers as neo-the anti-neo/anti crist 😉
when it stops raining, and all the water gets washed away, is this another new begining that the architect talks about in reloaded, or is it the ending of the smith era ("do you like what i've done to this place?"😉 or even both?...
how does smith posses that knocked-out guy, and why does the fire the emp at the end of the second film? wouldn't it be better for him to let man and machine battle themselves till they're both destroyed?
and isn't neo dying for the world in the first movie? is jesus meant to doe again?😕
i liked the film, but i didn't...the first could be taken at so many levels, but this one you've really got to look deep into it...and the character development was kinda crappy-we meet 16 year old hacker one in reloaded, and he saves the day in revolutions...kinda...but we still have no idea who he is etc...and who was the person that was firing the shells which dozers wife had made? and did you feel a, well, a lack of chemistry between neo and trinity? they're supposedly so devoted to each ohter, but it doesn't really come accross...
Well, the ending still sucked. It isn't open as Reloaded and Matrix (as someone else said) so they can't really do anything with the franchise, except maybe market a dead Neo doll.😛
The APU's were affected by the EMP blast, as after that, you didn't see the APU's anymore🙁
Anybody who didn't see the Animatrix? I saw after seeing Reloaded, and it helps alot with the whole philosophy stuff, especially at the end of Reloaded.
matrix...it opens your eyes from this 😴 - to this - 🙄
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A poor film really, when I saw the first film I never would have seen it ending here like that. I assumed that Neo lets Agent Smith take him as it replugs him back into the computer system via neo, and then the computers can delete him in the matrix.
As for the end, well it seemed a bit odd - how can the human race be saved if it continues to exist in the matrix? I though the point of the film was to free everyone. I just thought that when he poped above the clouds and saw the sun he would make a deal with the machines based on solar power or something. But no, back to the martial arts...
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And I thought that in the second film it alluded to the fact that neo was a program himself, there had been 6 previous forms of him exactly the same. If this was the case why was he human at the end, I thought he just got assimilated into the source code, like agent smith.
Really, the more you think about it the more annoying and unsatisfying the film was. I mean what was that noncense about the little brat who was only 16 and he needed to be 18 to fight, I mean come on the whole species is supposedly about to be wiped out and you are worrying about consentual age!
Also, when you think about it, the key aim of their battle plan should have been species survival rather than a big hollywood victory. What happened to the terrorist style war. pair up women and men, and get them to hide. Its far better long term odds than the all hide in the cave and wait method.
Also, while I think about it - what happened to that other matrix idea in the 2nd film, the one where people who can not accept the original matrix are moved, i.e. Zion?
Andrew
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who is to say he died? Last I saw, unless I missed something, he was being carted away by the "big computer" there in the computer city.. but we were seeing the golden light through his now lack of eyes... While we didn't have a reunion with neo and the rest of the humans, it doesn't mean that neo is dead. And even if it's true, I think it is still open ended enough... belive me, if they want to have more movies, or a show, or anything, they have more then enough to work with
He did die, because the first movie was birth, the second one was about life, and Revolutions was about death. That was why Trinity died, but everyone could see that was gonna happen eventually.
Neo died, because the programmes wanted to get rid of the supposed One. He did a deal with the machine, and had to die to get rid of Smith.
I believe the phrase used was Smith is the same as Neo. But, the opposite. If they're two halfs of a whole, then it would stand to reason that if ones dead then so is the other. Although, as it was said if they want ot carry the story on then they probably can.
As to the people still being in the Matrix. As it was said (and proven in the first with Cypher) Some people don't want to leave.
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Originally posted by jimmi tYes - it wasn't such a good film. Finding Nemo was more fun.
I believe the phrase used was Smith is the same as Neo. But, the opposite. If they're two halfs of a whole, then it would stand to reason that if ones dead then so is the other. Although, as it was said if they want ot carry the story on then they probably can.
As to the people still being in the Matrix. As it was said (and proven in the first with Cypher) Some people don't want to leave.
Jim
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Maybe they are all still in the matrix. It was said in m2 that the oracle had worked out how to keep the matrix stable. Perhaps the way to do that is to take all the people who like fighting the matrix and put them in a second matrix where they constantly have to fight the other matrix. So everyone comes back to life in M4.
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on a different tangent, I watched the original matrix the other day on TV. I noticed that when neo is interviewed by smith at the start, where his mouth closes up and they put the bug in him, you see neo on lots of different monitor screens with neo on them. These screens seem the same as the ones in Matrix 2 in the scene with the architect with lots of neos on them.
Any ideas?
Andrew