30 Sep 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThe question you dodged:
I think you are, and have been for weeks, misusing the term 'delusional.'
So you are NOT arguing that I am "predisposed to being delusional"?
30 Sep 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI had beliefs in the supernatural that I now see as having been delusions. My estimation of divegeester's contribution to the GF has nothing to do with the supernatural.
I am presenting you with the consequences of your own logic.
30 Sep 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidNope. I think you are fabricating "consequences" in a rather clumsy strawman.
I am presenting you with the consequences of your own logic.
30 Sep 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI didn't think they were delusions when I believed those things. Don't you get that? It is my view now that they were delusions.
During the time you were a Christian, did you continue to believe in Christian beliefs even when presented with incontrovertible evidence you were wrong?
If not, you were not delusional. (Even by the every day meaning of the word).
30 Sep 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI don't think so. Beliefs in things that are not real are delusions.
I think you are, and have been for weeks, misusing the term 'delusional.'
30 Sep 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidPerhaps, if I had been presented with incontrovertible evidence that I was wrong at that time, it would have put an end to what I now consider to have been delusions.
During the time you were a Christian, did you continue to believe in Christian beliefs even when presented with incontrovertible evidence you were wrong?
30 Sep 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThat may be the wording you have found in one particular definition you have found on the internet but it's not the definition I have been using.
Only if you continue to belief them when confronted with incontrovertible evidence you are wrong.
Don't you get that?
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30 Sep 23
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A child who believes in Santa because his parents told him he was real is not delusional. But if, when he grows up, he is presented with incontrovertible evidence that Santa isn't real, he would be delusional, in the every day sense of the word (if he chose to ignore this incontrovertible evidence and continue to believe Santa was real).
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@fmf saidExactly, evidencing that your beliefs were not delusional at that time (as they did not ignore incontrovertible evidence to the contrary).
Perhaps, if I had been presented with incontrovertible evidence that I was wrong at that time, it would have put an end to what I now consider to have been delusions.
It is for this reason that the average chap who believes in ghosts is not delusional, as incontrovertible evidence does not exist that such a belief is wrong.
30 Sep 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidNo I don't. A delusion is a "belief in something that is not true". Cambridge Dictionary. That's its everyday meaning, regardless of attempts to impose a definition that seeks to be more elaborate than that.
What 'I get' is that you fail to understand the meaning of 'delusion,' even in the every day sense.
30 Sep 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidExactly, evidencing that your beliefs were not delusional at that time
Exactly, evidencing that your beliefs were not delusional at that time (as they did not ignore incontrovertible evidence to the contrary).
I have never claimed that I thought they were delusional at that time.