30 Sep 23
@divegeester saidYou also agreed with him when he described you as delusional.
No, I don’t.
I agree that religious beliefs can be classified as delusions.
Are you going to row back on that?
30 Sep 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidHave you ever held any form of religious belief, even when you were younger?
In light of your predisposition to believe delusional things, do you concede this statement from you might also fall into that camp?
30 Sep 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI agree that my own religious beliefs could be described as delusions.
You also agreed with him when he described you as delusional.
Are you going to row back on that?
30 Sep 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI didn't think my religious beliefs were delusions when I held them during those 25 years.
For 25 years, what was the 'incontrovertible evidence to the contrary' that you were ignoring?
@divegeester saidNo, never. I was exposed to Christian beliefs at primary school but never absorbed them. I did though embrace Christian holidays, mostly for the chocolate.
Have you ever held any form of religious belief, even when you were younger?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidDo you think that you never having held any form of religious belief is indicative that you are in some way mentally stronger than those people who do, or have in their past, held a form of religious belief?
No, never.
30 Sep 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidNo. I think it is fair appraisal of divegeester and it has nothing to do with the religious beliefs I held for 25 years.
In light of your predisposition to believe delusional things, do you concede this statement from you might also fall into that camp?
30 Sep 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI am not claiming that I thought I was believing in delusions back when I was religious. It's only now that I perceive that I used to believe in things that were not real.
But looking back, what was the 'incontrovertible evidence to the contrary' that you were ignoring?
I don't have "incontrovertible evidence" that Jesus did not rise from the dead but from my perspective the belief that he did is a delusion.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidIn light of your predisposition to believe delusional things
In light of your predisposition to believe delusional things, do you concede this statement from you might also fall into that camp?
You think I have a predisposition to believe in delusions in a way that also applies to things that have nothing to do with religion and the supernatural? Is this now your stance?
@divegeester saidUnlike FMF, I do not classify theists as delusional.
Do you think that you never having held any form of religious belief is indicative that you are in some way mentally stronger than those people who do, or have in their past, held a form of religious belief?
That said, we all share the same basic human desire to want answers as to how we got here and where we are going. (If anywhere). It could be argued that theists willingly accept the wrong answers while atheists soldier on in pursuit of the right answers, and forgo the hope of immortality that most religions would afford them.
30 Sep 23
@fmf saidYou are misunderstanding the nature of a delusion, even in the every day sense.
I am not claiming that I thought I was believing in delusions back when I was religious. It's only now that I perceive that I used to believe in things that were not real.
I don't have "incontrovertible evidence" that Jesus did not rise from the dead but from my perspective the belief that he did is a delusion.