30 Sep 23
@the-gravedigger saidWell, to a Christian, all have fallen short.
They also forgo the terror of having to meet God if they have strayed.
30 Sep 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidNot according to the definition [from the Cambridge Dictionary] that I have been citing for 120+ forum pages.
Then you'd be wrong.
@fmf saidLook old chap, 'delusional' comes from a Latin word meaning 'deceiving,' and one can only really deceive oneself when one ignores incontrovertible evidence that one is wrong.
Not according to the definition [from the Cambridge Dictionary] that I have been citing for 120+ forum pages.
30 Sep 23
@divegeester saidI am no more a 'claimed' mental health practitioner than you are a 'claimed' Christian.
I am asking you, the claimed mental health practitioner.
Do you well to remember that.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidDelusion: a belief in something that isn't true.
Look old chap, 'delusional' comes from a Latin word meaning 'deceiving,' and one can only really deceive oneself when one ignores incontrovertible evidence that one is wrong.
Suggesting that the meaning of a Latin word from which an English word was derived supersedes the contemporary meaning of the English word is, linguisticslly speaking, scraping the bottom of the debating barrel.
30 Sep 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidone can only really deceive oneself when one ignores incontrovertible evidence that one is wrong
Look old chap, 'delusional' comes from a Latin word meaning 'deceiving,' and one can only really deceive oneself when one ignores incontrovertible evidence that one is wrong.
The word you are looking for here is "self-deceit".
The word we have been talking about means to believe something that is not true.
30 Sep 23
@fmf saidTo clarify, all beliefs are delusional, if you personally believe they are wrong? You are the arbitrator for truth?
one can only really deceive oneself when one ignores incontrovertible evidence that one is wrong
The word you are looking for here is "self-deceit".
The word we have been talking about means to believe something that is not true.
30 Sep 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWhoever's perspective it is.
Without incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, who gets to decided when something isn't true?
That's why people like sonship and Suzianne have called me deluded.
Because, to them, I had a belief in something not true.
Such is the way it works in the realm of subjectivity.
30 Sep 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou are the arbitrator for truth?
To clarify, all beliefs are delusional, if you personally believe they are wrong? You are the arbitrator for truth?
I get to decide what my perspective on the truth is.
30 Sep 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWho says I have to "prove" that Bob is delusional with regard to the Yeti?
@FMF
Bob believes in the Yeti. You don't believe in the Yeti, but can't prove the Yeti doesn't exist. Is Bob delusional nonetheless because you say he is?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidIs Bob delusional nonetheless because you say he is?
Bob believes in the Yeti. You don't believe in the Yeti, but can't prove the Yeti doesn't exist. Is Bob delusional nonetheless because you say he is?
Bob would be delusional as far as I'm concerned. You wouldn't have to agree. Your disagreement wouldn't alter my perspective.