05 Apr 03
Originally posted by missleadHiding under a stone... good one. I will have to try that, currently I'm sitting while typing. Tell me more Misslead how exactly is it done, should I try and blend in wearing camouflage? To think if everything you said was only taken literally. I have one question, how do you order food in your terminology? This is my last post on this thread or else I will seem hypercritical. Yes, in my mind, Misslead is a fool.
The offer is still open.
You can see the colour of these guys.
I'm the peace lover,but when it comes to push comes to shove,where are they?Look for them hiding under a stone.
Linda
05 Apr 03
Originally posted by missleadI an not teaseing, I have always whanted to join the Air Force, I dont joke asbout stuff like that, my Dad was in the Air force too.
"Uncle" don't tease.
There is no age limit to my game list.
Linda.
I'm not trying to prove anything to you but if you whant me to start a game I will
05 Apr 03
Originally posted by VargSo don't stop.
Yes. To the uneducated mind this might seem plausible but is in fact a load of crap (can I say that).
Yes there were female - orientated societies (still are in places).
It is wishful thinking that they were peaceful.
The pighead male barbarian aryans also had female deities, so I don't know where that's all from.
Most of the male-dominated aspect of reli ...[text shortened]... he manipulating of archaeological/historical facts for feminist propaganda purposes is shameful.
You nearly spat it out then.
Questions:
I am a Christian.I am looking forward to the SECOND COMING.
When GOD comes a second time will his Apostles be all male?
Why is Mother Tereasa of Calcuta excepted as a Saint now?
Linda.
05 Apr 03
Originally posted by UncleAdamActions speack louder than words.
I an not teaseing, I have always whanted to join the Air Force, I dont joke asbout stuff like that, my Dad was in the Air force too.
I'm not trying to prove anything to you but if you whant me to start a game I will
Linda.
05 Apr 03
Originally posted by HentschelCan you understand this?
Are you trying to prove that you are superior in chess, maybe so. In social skills I'm sure that you're lacking. The best spoken language is that which is easily understood, is that why you talk in riddles? Does it comfort you that some of us don't understand what you're getting at. Sometimes I doubt you even have subject matter. I was paying att ...[text shortened]... Nick (proud to be able to label himself as 'normal'😉
PS: I know that middle bit rhymes 🙄
Linda
06 Apr 03
Originally posted by missleadAs far as I remember, the early founders of the Christian church made damn sure they played down the importance of women when deciding on dogma.
So don't stop.
You nearly spat it out then.
Questions:
I am a Christian.I am looking forward to the SECOND COMING.
When GOD comes a second time will his Apostles be all male?
Why is Mother Tereasa of Calcuta excepted as a Saint now?
Linda.
Women still have little importance in the middle east.
So if the second coming is in Mecca, or wherever then yes they will be male.
By the way, don't stop what?
The original post was so objective it was laughable. I mean - it was the fault of men who had no knowledge of hygeine which caused childbirth deaths in women...So why didn't the women tell the men to wash their hands? That the knowledge of where disease comes from was not known is hardly the men's fault. Maybe it is, maybe they should have worked harder to progress society.
And about Mother Theresa, I'm no expert, but I thought new saints had to have two demonstratable miracles to their name.
06 Apr 03
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Originally posted by HentschelThere are pro-men groups out there. I'm familiar with one that takes its inspiration from Robert Bly's work 'Iron John', in which he analyzes the masculine prototype found in western myth. But even if there were no such group, it really wouldn't be significant. The reason there is a feminist movement is not because of the insecurity of some women, rather it is because historically women have, as a group, been oppressed. In America, this oppression was explicit in laws preventing women from owning property, voting, and in general excercising the rights the constitution grants to citizens. Although the explicit oppression of women has lessened here, there is still systemic inequity between men and women, inequity implicit in culturally reinforced gender roles, wages, leave for pregnancy, child care in the workplace, etc. In other cultures this oppression is even worse, from the machismo killings in South America, to the genital mutilation found in Africa and some parts of Eastern Europe. The three waves of feminism that have occurred here and around the world aim for equal treatment, and the undermining of the skewed value system that gives rise to inequality. When you equate feminism with man-hating, you are just dismissing out of hand a very important equal-rights movement. To claim that it is the insecurity of women that gives rise to such a movement is to, in effect, to play into the notion that somehow women are intellectually inferior to men (they are easily overcome with emotion, or some such rubbish). It is this view, implicit in your comment, that I found ill-informed and insecure.
To BBarr:
BBarr you appear to be a very intelligent person, no doubt smarter then I. I agree that referring to all feminists as man haters is incorrect but why isn't there a male equivalent. A pro-men group it sounds ridiculous even ...[text shortened]... el (of no importence in this world and not worrried about it)
06 Apr 03
Originally posted by bbarrI never said women were intellectually inferior, I feel somewhat on the contrary actually. To give some explaination of the cause of political movements that, even I, could find in a book, does not influence my thoughts. If women are the majority of the worlds population, how could they allow themselves to be oppressed? Why has society given men, in general, more authority then women? Are you saying that the inequality in social status has just been passed down through the years history. Tell me why men still make more 'important' decisions then women, I'm not saying its right.
There are pro-men groups out there. I'm familiar with one that takes its inspiration from Robert Bly's work 'Iron John', in which he analyzes the masculine prototype found in western myth. But even if there were no such group, it really wouldn't be significant. The reason there is a feminist movement is not because of the insecurity of some women, rath ...[text shortened]... ch rubbish). It is this view, implicit in your comment, that I found ill-informed and insecure.
To Linda: I understand that your comeback was pathetic.
06 Apr 03
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Originally posted by HentschelI know you never said explicitly that women were intellectually inferior to men. You did, however, indicate that it was insecure man-hating women behind the feminist movements. The fact that you found it more plausible that it was some emotional weakness (insecurity) or irrational anger (man-hating) that led to the feminists movements reveals a particular, implicit view of women. You're claiming, in effect, that feminist movements are neither an expression of strength or courage (rather, insecurity), nor a rational response to a history of oppression (rather, irrational man-hating). Since both emotional weakness and irrationality are failings, you're implicity claiming that women who lead these movements are beset by these failings. It is precisely that skewed understanding of both the history of women's oppression and the motivations the underlie the feminist movements that feminism aims at combatting. As to the historical origins of oppression, it has been around since recorded history. Since I don't have access to our species pre-history, I really can't say why this oppression came about. But regardless of how it came about, it is clearly more relevant that it is both immoral and subject to possible change. To claim that they allow themselves to be oppressed is to just ignore the progress of feminist movements. Women are not merely allowing themselves to be oppressed, they are in fact organizing resistance to their oppression. But perhaps you mean 'how can it be that women are oppressed when they are in the majority?' Well, on the plantations here in the US back in the 18th and 19th century, slaves outnumbered their masters. During the Holocaust, Jews in the camps outnubered Nazi guards. Both these groups were wtill brutally oppressed. Does this seem strange to you?
I never said women were intellectually inferior, I feel somewhat on the contrary actually. To give some explaination of the cause of political movements that, even I, could find in a book, does not influence my thoughts. If women are th ...[text shortened]... right.
To Linda: I understand that your comeback was pathetic.