13 Mar 10
GAME ID 7251313
White player had been in check , and had previously moved his KIng in move 6 , but still castled in
Excuse my sudden ignorance, but his King had been in check, and had moved, what Castling rules are we playing that allow you to Castle after those conditions ?
King in Check , and moves...
Ke8xf7
Black Move6
Date13 Mar '10 00:22
Bg8f7
White Move6
Date13 Mar '10 00:22
King castles...
O-O-O
White Move20
Date13 Mar '10 16:52
13 Mar 10
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Originally posted by FabianFnassurely, (innocent) clarification of this sort does not constitute as asking for help (help is violation of RHP's ToS), doh.
Two comments:
(1) Never ask for help about a game in progress. Never.
(2a) When a move is illegal, the system doesn't allow the move.
(2b) When a move is allowed by the system, the move is legal.
p.s.
Never trust self-appointed authorities. Never
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14 Mar 10
Originally posted by FabianFnas1. we have the right to ask about the rules of chess regardless if the game is in progress or not. not sure if you can castle while your rook is under attack? ask. perfectible legal.
Two comments:
(1) Never ask for help about a game in progress. Never.
(2a) When a move is illegal, the system doesn't allow the move.
(2b) When a move is allowed by the system, the move is legal.
2a. rare but bugs do happen here.
2b. see 2a.
so wrong, wrong and wrongo.
14 Mar 10
Originally posted by trev33(1) Well, if somebody asks "I've mated my opponent in game xxxxxxx but I didn't get the points for it!", then he shouldn't get the help that, your opponent can still do this or that. That helps either party. The answer should only be "If you think it's a bug, then report it!".
1. we have the right to ask about the rules of chess regardless if the game is in progress or not. not sure if you can castle while your rook is under attack? ask. perfectible legal.
2a. rare but bugs do happen here.
2b. see 2a.
so wrong, wrong and wrongo.
But if you ask a general question about a rule, like "May I wait a e.p. move a while?" Then a correct answer may very well be appropriate.
But asking a question about a game in progress should never be done. Never.
(2) We can assume that there are no bugs in the part of the system that controls the legality of a move. It's so basic so it should be noticed before, and corrected. Any move signalling its illegality with pink squares is illegal. You can safely rely on that. Any move that can be done is also a legal move. On this you can also rely on its correctness.
If I am wrong in (2) - please give me an example, and I'll change my mind immediatement.
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14 Mar 10
Originally posted by FabianFnas"But if you ask a general question about a rule, like "May I wait a e.p. move a while?" Then a correct answer may very well be appropriate.
(1) Well, if somebody asks "I've mated my opponent in game xxxxxxx but I didn't get the points for it!", then he shouldn't get the help that, your opponent can still do this or that. That helps either party. The answer should only be "If you think it's a bug, then report it!".
But if you ask a general question about a rule, like "May I wait a e.p. move a ...[text shortened]... am wrong in (2) - please give me an example, and I'll change my mind immediatement.
But asking a question about a game in progress should never be done. Never."
do you see the contradiction there?
everyone has the right to know the rules... just like in otb where the ref would be called, it's fine to ask any question about the rules in a game in progress.
bugs have happened here in the past... it's the nature of the internet. i don't have examples because i'm not sad enough to book mark the games.
15 Mar 10
Originally posted by FabianFnasHave a look at the moves after move 18 in the game in the "My opponent took a move back" thread. It certainly ain't normal!
(1) Well, if somebody asks "I've mated my opponent in game xxxxxxx but I didn't get the points for it!", then he shouldn't get the help that, your opponent can still do this or that. That helps either party. The answer should only be "If you think it's a bug, then report it!".
But if you ask a general question about a rule, like "May I wait a e.p. move a ...[text shortened]... am wrong in (2) - please give me an example, and I'll change my mind immediatement.
15 Mar 10
Originally posted by twiceaknightYou mean [GameId]6934446[/GameId]?
Have a look at the moves after move 18 in the game in the "My opponent took a move back" thread. It certainly ain't normal!
Seems strange but I rather believe it is a leftover from the database crash that happened 4th of december 2009. I myself have a few of these errorenous games too that seems to gone haywire. However, every move made was correct according the the rules. Russ can confirm this.
15 Mar 10
Originally posted by trev33I don't deny that bugs are present in the RHP system. But not in the rule confirmation routine. There are millions of moves every year (?), and there would be a lot of complaints if an illegal move would be accepted.
"But if you ask a general question about a rule, like "May I wait a e.p. move a while?" Then a correct answer may very well be appropriate.
But asking a question about a game in progress should never be done. Never."
do you see the contradiction there?
everyone has the right to know the rules... just like in otb where the ref would be called, it's fine t ...[text shortened]... f the internet. i don't have examples because i'm not sad enough to book mark the games.
No, I don't think so. If a move is accepted, then it is by the rules. If a move is not accepted, then it's a user mind slip, or ignorance of the rules.
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15 Mar 10
Originally posted by FabianFnasmost of the time probably but we can't rule out the possibility of it being a bug. therefore it's totally acceptable for someone to ask about this in public during a game... if the unlikely event is true and it is a bug, they can get it fixed if it's just a simply human error involving the rules they learn something new about the rules of chess. no harm done.
I don't deny that bugs are present in the RHP system. But not in the rule confirmation routine. There are millions of moves every year (?), and there would be a lot of complaints if an illegal move would be accepted.
No, I don't think so. If a move is accepted, then it is by the rules. If a move is not accepted, then it's a user mind slip, or ignorance of the rules.
15 Mar 10
Originally posted by trev33It's acceptable to ask a general question about a rule. It is not acceptable to ask if he can do (or why not do) about anything about a game in progress. The system will tell if the move is illegal, by pink squares, and if a move is legal, by letting him do that move.
most of the time probably but we can't rule out the possibility of it being a bug. therefore it's totally acceptable for someone to ask about this in public during a game... if the unlikely event is true and it is a bug, they can get it fixed if it's just a simply human error involving the rules they learn something new about the rules of chess. no harm done.
Further: The FAQ says everything quite qlearly about the rules of chess. If that's not enough, there are numerous sources in the internet explaining the rules. There are no lack of information. The rules of chess should be in the toolbox of every chess player. If this is not enough, then a simle question about the rules is okay in the Help Forum. But not about a game in progress.
There are no bugs in the rule legality check routine. If you find any, please tell us. Otherwise, there are no bugs there. You can trust the system on that.
Don't ask questions about a game in progress! It violates TOS 3(b). Play on the safe side and don't ask.
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15 Mar 10
Originally posted by FabianFnasotb two guys get in a fight about a move what do they do? ask the referee.
It's acceptable to ask a general question about a rule. It is not acceptable to ask if he can do (or why not do) about anything about a game in progress. The system will tell if the move is illegal, by pink squares, and if a move is legal, by letting him do that move.
Further: The FAQ says everything quite qlearly about the rules of chess. If that's n ...[text shortened]... estions about a game in progress! It violates TOS 3(b). Play on the safe side and don't ask.
two guys have a problem with a game here... ask the help forum.
simple.
by your words if someone didn't know what en passent was before a game they wouldn't be allowed to ask the help forum during the game what had happened.
you're not allowed to ask about tactics or anything else that will give you a huge advantage over your opponent but you are allowed to ask about moves during the game that you're not sure about the legality. bugs Can happen. and not everyone knows all of the rules...
send feedback and ask if it would be ok for someone to ask if they can castle when their rook to under attack while they're playing a game with that exact scenario. i can tell you now their answer will be yes, everyone has the right to know the rules, regardless if they're currently in a game where that rule comes into question or not. do it.
15 Mar 10
Originally posted by trev33Don't ask anything about a game in progress. TOS 3(b). Do I need to say more?
otb two guys get in a fight about a move what do they do? ask the referee.
two guys have a problem with a game here... ask the help forum.
simple.
by your words if someone didn't know what en passent was before a game they wouldn't be allowed to ask the help forum during the game what had happened.
you're not allowed to ask about tactics or anyth ...[text shortened]... gardless if they're currently in a game where that rule comes into question or not. do it.