1. c3?!

Originally posted by cmsMaster
If you prefer to waste tempi that's up to you.

As White I would be prepared to lose (not waste) a tempo in order to get a much better booked-up silicon opponent out of theory, especially if I knew the opening variation well.

Originally posted by ThudanBlunder
As White I would be prepared to lose (not waste) a tempo in order to get a much better booked-up silicon opponent out of theory, especially if I knew the opening variation well.

Not worth it, there are more effective methods of avoiding theory.

Originally posted by cmsMaster
Not worth it, there are more effective methods of avoiding theory.

But would you know what to do with an extra tempo if you tripped over one?

After all, among top GMs White scores roughly 55%, Black roughly 45%. And this difference of 10% steadily decreases, so that by the time you get all the way down to 1466 the advantage of moving first has all but disappeared.

Originally posted by moon 111
i dont know if this is so good for white i was just thinking about it it would be like reversed caro-kann which i think would be much better but if:

1.c3?! d4
2.c4?!

which would be pretty nice for white but maybe a waste of a tempo in some opinions...

what do you think?

LOL

Originally posted by ThudanBlunder
But would you know what to do with an extra tempo if you tripped over one?

After all, among top GMs White scores roughly 55%, Black roughly 45%. And this difference of 10% steadily decreases, so that by the time you get all the way down to 1466 the advantage of moving first has all but disappeared.

Why would you want to give one away?? That's like saying, the importance of a piece becomes so much less by the time you reach 1482 (not 1466, jerk) it's pretty much useless and you might as well give it away.

Originally posted by cmsMaster
Why would you want to give one away??

I thought I had already explained that.

Originally posted by cmsMaster
1482 (not 1466, jerk)

Oh, that's different then.

Originally posted by ThudanBlunder
Oh, that's different then.

Very.

Originally posted by ThudanBlunder
I thought I had already explained that.

Taking them out of theory is pretty useless if you're just going to transpose right back into it with a tempo less.

Originally posted by cmsMaster
Not worth it, there are more effective methods of avoiding theory.

What could be more effective than knowing 'all' the theory and your opponent (an engine, don't forget) knowing none?

Originally posted by cmsMaster
Taking them out of theory is pretty useless if you're just going to transpose right back into it with a tempo less.

But the reversed Ruy, for example, is not theory to a bot. Not until Fritz8, anyway.

Originally posted by cmsMaster
Very.

I bet you wouldn't be seen dead with 1466's now. How often are the ratings updated anyway? Have you complained about the delay?

Originally posted by 7ate9
not necessary if you do it on a constant basis and your opponent is in unfamilar ground...... i.e. overdeveloped beyond comfort.

Over developed?? Is that posssible...?

Originally posted by ThudanBlunder
But the reversed Ruy, for example, is not theory to a bot. Not until Fritz8, anyway.

I generally play humans.