18 Sep 11
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Originally posted by tomtom232
[pgn] [FEN "r2r2k1/1p3pbp/p1b2qp1/4p3/1QPnB1P1/P3B2P/1P1N1P2/1R3RK1 b - - 8 20"] 1...Nc2 2.g5 Qe6 3.Bxc2 {don't know what to do after this yet... but there has to be something}[/pgn]
[pgn] [FEN "r2r2k1/1p3pbp/p1b2qp1/4p3/1QPnB1P1/P3B2P/1P1N1P2/1R3RK1 b - - 8 20"] 1...Nc2 2.g5 Qe6 3.Qc3 Rxd2 4.Bxc2 Qxh3[/pgn]
[pgn] [FEN "r2r2k1/1p3pbp/p1b2qp1/4p3/1QPnB1P1/P3B2P/1P1N1P2/1R3RK1 b - - 8 20"] 1...Nc2 2.g5 Qe6 3.Qc3 Rxd2 4.Qxd2 Bxe4[/pgn]
18 Sep 11
Originally posted by morgskiin the first position Ne5 for black looks very strong
I liked the suggestion of a thread like this, so I thought I would get the ball rolling...
An Opening Problem: What to do here? Last move Qa4xc4. Black to play
[fen]r1b1kbnr/pppqpppp/2n5/8/2Q3P1/8/PP1PPPBP/RNB1K1NR b KQkq - 0 5[/fen]
A (different) Mid-game problem: What to do here? Last move O-O. Black to play for advantage
[fen]r2r2k1/1p3pbp/p1b2qp1/4p3/1QPnB1P1/P3B2P/1P1N1P2/1R3RK1 b - - 8 20[/fen]
18 Sep 11
Originally posted by tomtom232Hey TomTom, after your analysis it seems clear there are multiple options for black. The main idea for me was the use of the pressure on the Queen to force a good position or lose the Queen. This was the best I could come up with:
[pgn] [FEN "r2r2k1/1p3pbp/p1b2qp1/4p3/1QPnB1P1/P3B2P/1P1N1P2/1R3RK1 b - - 8 20"] 1... a5 2.Qb6 Ra6 3.Qc7 Rd7 4.Qc8+ Rd8 5.g5 {your move comes to the rescue}[/pgn]
and then Nf4 in response to Kh2, or Bxd5 if Kh1/Kg2
19 Sep 11
Originally posted by morgskiInstead of Bd5 how about Bxc6?
Hey TomTom, after your analysis it seems clear there are multiple options for black. The main idea for me was the use of the pressure on the Queen to force a good position or lose the Queen. This was the best I could come up with:
[pgn][FEN "r2r2k1/1p3pbp/p1b2qp1/4p3/1QPnB1P1/P3B2P/1P1N1P2/1R3RK1 b - - 8 20"] 1... a5 2.Qb6 Ra6 3.Qc7 Ne6 {A different w ...[text shortened]... the kingside is now blown apart}[/pgn]
and then Nf4 in response to Kh2, or Bxd5 if Kh1/Kg2
21 Sep 11
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Originally posted by morgski
Then I guess the lines would then follow something like this:
[pgn][FEN "r2r2k1/1p3pbp/p1b2qp1/4p3/1QPnB1P1/P3B2P/1P1N1P2/1R3RK1 b - - 8 20"] 1... a5 2.Qb6 Ra6 3.Qc7 Ne6 4.g5 Ng5 5.Bxc6 {The alternative} Rxc6 6.Qxa5 {or Qxb7} b6 7.Qc3 Nxh3 {kingside still not looking too sturdy}[/pgn]
21 Sep 11
Originally posted by tomtom232No!
[pgn][FEN "r2r2k1/1p3pbp/p1b2qp1/4p3/1QPnB1P1/P3B2P/1P1N1P2/1R3RK1 b - - 8 20"] 1... a5 2.Qb6 Ra6 3.Qc7 Ne6 4.g5 Ng5 5.Bxc6 {The alternative} Rxc6 6.Qxb7 {to overload blacks queen} Nxh3 7.Kg2 {the point of taking the bishop... this square is safer than h2} Nf4 8.Bxf4 exf4 {queen can't take because then the rook is hanging} 9.Ne4 {and now the rooks can come over to the kingside and attack and its blacks King who is in danger} [/pgn]
f3 seems to wrap things up nicely for black. white is buried
21 Sep 11
Originally posted by queenabber...f3 then Kg3 and the queen has to give up the pawn and the king is on a journey to switch to the other side of the board if the need arises otherwise white can still either trade queens or attack blacks king.
No!
f3 seems to wrap things up nicely for black. white is buried
21 Sep 11
Originally posted by tomtom232if after f3+
...f3 then Kg3 and the queen has to give up the pawn and the king is on a journey to switch to the other side of the board if the need arises otherwise white can still either trade queens or attack blacks king.
Kg3 then Qe5
Kf3 Rd3+
the: end 0-1
21 Sep 11
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Originally posted by tomtom232
[pgn][FEN "r2r2k1/1p3pbp/p1b2qp1/4p3/1QPnB1P1/P3B2P/1P1N1P2/1R3RK1 b - - 8 20"] 1... a5 2.Qb6 Ra6 3.Qc7 Ne6 4.g5 Ng5 5.Bxc6 {The alternative} Rxc6 6.Qxb7 {to overload blacks queen} Nxh3 7.Kg2 {the point of taking the bishop... this square is safer than h2} Nf4 8.Bxf4 exf4 {queen can't take because then the rook is hanging} 9.Ne4 {and now the rooks can come over to the kingside and attack and its blacks King who is in danger} [/pgn]
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23 Sep 11
Originally posted by tomtom232Now you're still a pawn up and white's kingside is still shaky. There is no immediate crushing attack, but if you play it calmly you should get there in the end.
[pgn][FEN "r2r2k1/1p3pbp/p1b2qp1/4p3/1QPnB1P1/P3B2P/1P1N1P2/1R3RK1 b - - 8 20"] 1... a5 2.Qb6 Ra6 3.Qc7 Ne6 4.g5 Ng5 5.Bxc6 {The alternative} Rxc6 6.Qxb7 {to overload blacks queen} Nxh3 7.Kg2 {the point of taking the bishop... this square is safer than h2} Nf4 8.Bxf4 exf4 {queen can't take because then the rook is hanging} 9.Nf3 {now what?}[/pgn]
Mind you, I'd still manage to blow it.
Richard
25 Sep 11
Originally posted by dzhafner...b5 cxb5 ...Bb7 f3 ...Re2 and white is in serious trouble.
Originally posted by morgski
[b]Nc2 does appear to work, and you've certainly shown there are some good lines in that direction.
I think the key white defense is Ba4
...Nc2
Bxc2 ...Rxd2
Ba4 indirectly protecting the h1-a8 diagonal
if ...Be4
f3 stops that
[fen]r5k1/1p3pbp/p1b2qp1/4p3/BQP3P1/P3B2P/1P1r1P2/R4RK1 b - - 1 27[/fen]