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22 Sep 05
Originally posted by nonnymooseThat player left the site for a year. His rating dropped as a result.
Look at this guy: http://www.chessatwork.com/profile/playerprofile.php?uid=21274
He's at 1550 player...had been higher than 1350 for more than a year. Then his rating plunges to 800 and he's just entered the <999 banded tournament.
Nonny
I very much doubt that his rating drop is the result of wanting to get into low-rated banded tournaments.
--tmetzler
22 Sep 05
Originally posted by Sicilian SmaugBut the point is....he is NOT a < 999 player. He's multiple classes above. The point of having banded tournaments is so that people with like skill can compete against each other.
Maybe hes been drunk.
This guy is at my level. Why would I want to play in a tournament against people 500pts lower than me in skill level. I already know I should be able to beat them most all the time.
Likewise and 2000 rated player can walk all over me an anybody who's true rating is the same as mine. We know that by the rating.
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22 Sep 05
And at the same time, he can't join any 1500 banded tournaments because he is currently rated much lower....
This is why the idea of a ratings "floor" has been bandied around in the past.
However, I still don't believe there is anybody purposefully dropping their rating just to try to win one of the low-banded tournaments.
--tmetzler
23 Sep 05
Originally posted by nonnymooseMost people refuse to play people rated so many points below them because of "sandbagging." He could be entering the tournament because he wants to have some games to play.
But the point is....he is NOT a < 999 player. He's multiple classes above. The point of having banded tournaments is so that people with like skill can compete against each other.
This guy is at my level. Why would I want to play in a tournament against people 500pts lower than me in skill level. I already know I should be able to beat them most al ...[text shortened]... er me an anybody who's true rating is the same as mine. We know that by the rating.
Nonny
23 Sep 05
Originally posted by Alpha10I was away from the site for about 8 months, and my rating fell about 500 points. I had no trouble whatsoever getting games, and didn't have to resort to entering banded tournaments meant for lesser-rated players than me. My rating is now almost back to what it should be.
Most people refuse to play people rated so many points below them because of "sandbagging." He could be entering the tournament because he wants to have some games to play.
24 Sep 05
Originally posted by tmetzlerThe point is -- he JOINED a banded tournament that is FAR FAR bellow his already established rating.
That player left the site for a year. His rating dropped as a result.
I very much doubt that his rating drop is the result of wanting to get into low-rated banded tournaments.
--tmetzler
He didn't become a poor player.....he resigned or had games timed out.
So in the mean time...he's taking candy from babies.
Nonny
24 Sep 05
Originally posted by tmetzlerIt doesn't matter WHY one's rating drops 500 or more points. Why would you join a tournament designed to allow folks in a banded range to play like skilled players?
And at the same time, he can't join any 1500 banded tournaments because he is currently rated much lower....
This is why the idea of a ratings "floor" has been bandied around in the past.
However, I still don't believe there is anybody purposefully dropping their rating just to try to win one of the low-banded tournaments.
--tmetzler
There are plenty of tournaments to enter that are not banded....and you can get plenty of games and have opponents of all skill levels who CHOOSE to play against players of all skill levels.
By joining a banded tournament that's far bellow your skill level, you are cheating these folks out what they had joined -- a tournament of equals.
And really -- I ask asgain -- what's the point of taking candy from babies? What thrill could you get from going back to gradeschool and entering a chess tournaments and beating a bunch of 4th graders?
Nonny
02 Oct 05
Originally posted by nonnymooseI could be in the position that you are criticising I am rated just over 1800 currently but I want to explain something (furthermore I have been insulted by a player that I defeated in an earlier round). I have been runner up 5 times in banded tournaments to players with ratings over 2100! Including 3 times to Fckallie who is one of the strongest players on this site. The reason why we ended up higher rated was that these tournaments take so long. When I joined the site I was unaware of chess ratings, and entered some tournaments which were banded. The ONE where I happen to be the higher rated player started about 18 months ago, the problem they take so long new player’s ratings can go up significantly. I was of course dismayed to come up against such accomplished players in the other finals but took it in my stride because I understood, so there is no way I am going to feel guilty if I have the good fortune to win. If you are confining your criticism to players who have been higher rated then came down that of course is an entirely different matter as by then they know their level is higher.
Well, ok....not "cheating" -- but what's with folks playing in banded tournaments WELL below their true ratings?
I mean, that's like me going to my kids school and competing in the 4th grade chess tournament. What satisfaction would come from winning that?
Nonny
02 Oct 05
Originally posted by nonnymooseI tend to enter tournaments that I consider to be at a skill level around my average overall rating. A player who enters a 1200-1300 tournament may have ranked over 1400 previously, but that does not mean that that is his average skill level (it was how they played when they were at the top of their game). So unless the tourney is at the rock bottom end of their skill level and therefore the player who enters it can only improve- I don't think that is reasonable to say.
Well, ok....not "cheating" -- but what's with folks playing in banded tournaments WELL below their true ratings?
I mean, that's like me going to my kids school and competing in the 4th grade chess tournament. What satisfaction would come from winning that?
Nonny
03 Oct 05
Every single banded tournament i have entered, without exception, has had at least one player who is generally at least 200+ points higher than the banding. I've raised this point b4 (as well as others...). When it is clear someone doesn't belong in a tournament, they should be removed, end of discussion!
03 Oct 05
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Originally posted by marinakatombYes but as I explained in my posting, these tournaments take a long time, in the case of mine about 18 months to reach the final group, why should I feel badly because I have worked hard at my game in that 18 nonths and improved my rating. As I explained I have been the runner up 5 times to players over 2100 (in rookie rounaments that I joined shortly after joining the site). So how come I am supposed to feel guilty in winning my tournament, yet accept gracefully (which I did!) defeat by >2100 players in the finals of rookie tournaments. I have spoken about it to my clan leader and he agrees there is no reason that I should not feel good about winning especially after being runner up 5 times out of 7 tournaments.
Every single banded tournament i have entered, without exception, has had at least one player who is generally at least 200+ points higher than the banding. I've raised this point b4 (as well as others...). When it is clear someone doesn't belong in a tournament, they should be removed, end of discussion!
03 Oct 05
Originally posted by stevetoddI understood, so there is no way I am going to feel guilty if I have the good fortune to win. If you are confining your criticism to players who have been higher rated then came down that of course is an entirely different matter as by then they know their level is higher.[/b]I'm speaking SOLELY of higher rated players who time out 25, sometimes 100's of games...and then go and join banded tournaments rated FAR below their skill level.
I'm not talking of people who have improved over the course of entering a tournament....or who end up with a better rating because the play well in the tournament.
Nonny
03 Oct 05
Originally posted by marinakatombI agree. Certainly for those who've established on THIS board that they are much higher rated players.
Every single banded tournament i have entered, without exception, has had at least one player who is generally at least 200+ points higher than the banding. I've raised this point b4 (as well as others...). When it is clear someone doesn't belong in a tournament, they should be removed, end of discussion!
Those who are accomplished before joining, and haven't yet established their rating on this board -- well, that's harder to "prove". But come on -- so many of these guys - just look at their graphs.
Nonny