DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT CHEAT IN ANY WAY. I ALSO DID NOT USE DATABASES FOR THIS GAME. I HAVE HAD TO CENSOR SOME OF THE THINGS CENTERNUT HAS CALLED ME BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T LET ME POST. TY.
[Event "Challenge"]
[Site "http://www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2005.05.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "CenterNut"]
[Black "Dfthd"]
[Result "0-1"]
[GameId "1176614"]
1. d4 Ng8f6
2. c4 g6
3. Nb1c3 Bf8g7
4. e4 d6
5. f3 O-O
6. Bf1d3 e5
7. d5 Nb8a6 I'm not sure if I have deviated from theory, but my plan was to plant my knight on c5 and force white to lock up the queenside in an attempt to drive my knight away.
8. Ng1e2 Na6c5
9. Bd3c2 a5 Perhaps I should have played this before Na5 but I fail to see the difference even now...
10. Bc1e3 b6 White may try to trade bishop for knight but I think black would be better after the trade. Still, I would prefer to capture with my b-pawn and keep the center closed so I can concentrate on attacking on the kingside.
11. a3 Preparing b4
11. ... Bc8a6 I blundered here a little. I don't know how I thought this would stop b4... probably something to do with the hanging c-pawn, but in any case, it didn't.
12. b4 Nc5d7
13. b5 Ba6c8 Black completes his plan of locking up the queenside. The only other square for the bishop, b7, looks quite silly to me because of the long, long pawn chain from d5 to g2, giving the bishop a range of... one square (wow!). Black also needs the bishop to eye f5, preparing to push his f-pawn.
14. O-O Nd7c5 I get to put my knight on c5 still. Yay.
15. Ne2g3 I didn't see this at this point, but later on this knight will become a huge liability to white as he will be unable to push his h3 pawn to fend off my pieces going to g4.
15. ... Nf6e8 I prepare to play f5 and also now if white trades his bishop on c5, I can capture using my d-pawn and plant my knight on d6, a good square. Actually this might be a mistake beacuse it clogs up the back rank lol. The alternative was Nh5
16. Nc3e2 Quite a silly looking move from white, his knight is blocked by every other piece and also blocks the retreat of his g3 knight.
16. ... Kg8h8 I furthur prepare my kingside attack as I anticipate trading my g-pawn for whites e-pawn and intend to use my rook along the g-file.
17. Ra1c1 now whites knight on e2 makes for a good joke.
17. ... f5 Black now starts his kingside attack. At first I only calculated black moving his bishop or trading pawns. I spent ALOT of time just looking at this position. AND I STILL FAILED TO SEE THE COMING f4. I AM BLIND. I recieved this message in this position:
"ahhhhhh haaaaaaaa
I see your post yesterday you nob and what you doing now you have made two very suspicious moves. and whats more now I believe you're cheating like the low life you are. from the way you played the opening yesterday you have made two move with additional resorces you played like crap yesterday, you messed the opening up then try and start a thread about me. NOB! who cant play chess.. (you prooved that to me yesterday)"
18. exf5 gxf5 So far so good... after I messaged him saying I do not cheat and I will post my analysis to this game after the game,:
"do wot you like dip sh*t. I know when im being cheated you little fu*king pr*ck put that in ya log too"
19. f4 OMG HOW COULD I MISS THIS.
19. ... Bg7h6 Black panicks and plays this move. It kinda hurt after my next blunder where my bishop was only defended by my queen. But when I played this I like how it pinned the f-pawn.
20. Be3xc5 bxc5 Of course, capturing with my d-pawn would be bad now, for the center would be wide open and white can attack my unsafe king. In addition, after white moves his c8 rook, fxe5 would be annoying for black.
21. Rc1a1 e4 This weakens the diagonal to his king, but white has no dark squared bishop and black plans to put his bishop on f6 by playing Bg7.
22. Ra1b1 This move is funny. White moves his rook to the wrong square first, then when he moves it to the right square, he says:
"yes thats about all the book moves you made 6!!!!.
this move prooves im human.. misplaced a rook now im losing tempo.. and you're gaining it.. this is typical of the computer.. but I will allow this one since it was mistake on my behalf.."
I fail to see how this proves his point, whatever it is.
22. ... Rf8g8 Black plans to move his queen to h4 and then knight to f6.
23. Ne2c3 Qd8h4 However, he is silly and misses Qh5 even after a lengthly calculation on how Nf6 would win for black.
24. Qd1h5 Qh4f6 Black now has two options, trade queens or Qf6. black wants to keep up his attack and doesn't want to trade queens. White responds with :
"p*ssy"
25. Nc3a4 Bc8d7
26. Qh5e2 Rg8g4 Black learns from his past mistake and blocks white's queen from h5. NOW black wants to play Qh4.
27. b6 Ra8b8 The only good way to stop the pawn. Everything else falls to b7.
28. b7 Qf6h4 Black wanted to win the f-pawn but was concerned about Nh5 by white. This takes care of the problem and also moves his queen closer to a possible combination.
29. Qe2d2 Bh6xf4
30. Qd2xa5?? Good game. Black has forced mate after Be3+. If Kh1 then 1. ... Qxh2+! Kxh2 Rh4#. If Rf2 then Bxf2+ Kxf2 Qxh2 threatening forced mate. there is no defense without losing much material. Whites best was to trade rook for bishop on f4 but even then black simply plays Qd8 and has a good game, an exchange and a pawn up.
30. ...Bf4e3 White calls me a cheat again but I forgot to copy and paste. Darn.
31. Kg1h1 Qh4xh2 On making this move, I sent him this message:
"LOL! You win and you say "i'm not using additional resources" and you lose and say "you're cheating." well I still remember how you called me a noob and a mofo so in this position, at my move, the only thing I will say to you is the truth, die like a noob."
32. Kh1xh2 Rg4h4# 0-1
Of course, after a good game one must be cordial so I sent this:
"i will publish my analysis shortly and if you want you can put yours too. perhaps we could both learn from the game, but for now, about the opening:
black was not losing time and space, in the KID black often attacks on the kingside and white on the queenside, and by placing my knight on c5, i forced you to close up the queenside, preventing counterplay, only then did i start my attack with f5.
you played very well, thanks for the game."
To be fair, CenterNut played very well and tested me thoroughly. He said it was too important a game for me not to cheat. Well, it was an important game, all the more reason to win on my own merit, so it just made me focus more. Hope you guys enjoyed my crap analysis.
Any comments or improvements will be much welcomed.
Thanks.
Originally posted by CenterNutYes, I believe everything after move 30 every chess player would have made the same moves haha. As well as probably the first 6 moves. Well actually alot of the moves in the game are forced one way or the other, though I made quite a few errors.
I run it though fritz too..
and you made alot of moves that fritz would have made.
so with that in mind. I stick to my original statement.
I WILL KILL YOU IN OTB GAME!
move 6 was your 1st out of book move. and I looking at moves from move 16 I was thinking you was using something. and there are lots of moves from about 16 that fritz suggest or when you click hint. it plays your moves.. very suspect if you ask me.
Like i said this game was far to importent to your ego and if needed like after move 6 you would use additional resources which in the game was forbidden. I've looked at your other games and its not your style of play, which makes me even more suspicious.
I may be a loser but this game prooves im no cheat. i'd rather be a loser than a cheat. at least I can say I lost my way.
Originally posted by PhlabibitWell you're the mod, but you see how he posts, I daresay he deserves it. And if he wants to accuse me of cheating I think this would suffice as my defense. Also, since he has no problems flaming using private messages I'm sure he'll have no problems if I take those messages and show them to everyone. He already has a bad reputation among the community for continually arguing his database=cheating point even though he has been refuted countless times, I'd say being this arrogant isn't helping him.
This thread is so wrong on so many levels I don't even know what to do.
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If it gets really ugly feel free to delete it but I don't think this will turn into a flamewar so I'd appreciate if you'd just leave it be unless it gets out of hand, thanks.
ps. Flamewar = CenterNut fans vs RHP and... well that won't be happening for obvious reasons lol.
CenterNut, you should stop whining about people using "additional resources". If you are a good chess player and know your openings you can easily beat them. You can also memorize how to win certain endgames if you like.
I don't even see the point in beeing angered about people using "additional resources". If you play against players of about the same rating, and those players use opening books, then you must be some better in the midgame and endgame and be able to compensate.
all im doing is posting my comments on how I feal about db's and opening books yes I know there allowed on this site and yes i know its not cheating on this site, you're the ignorant one for not allowing others to post their views. And if I see a thread which talks about db+opening books in all the cases in past have been I will post my comments and lucky enough for me you arnt the mod. only advantage to that would be RHP have more hdd space for your babbel.
Originally posted by schakuhrWow you made 2000+ rating. Congrats!
CenterNut, you should stop whining about people using "additional resources". If you are a good chess player and know your openings you can easily beat them. You can also memorize how to win certain endgames if you like.
I don't even ...[text shortened]... some better in the midgame and endgame and be able to compensate.
Originally posted by CenterNutOkay, ready for a compliment? You are both high enough rated that you can expect an agreement of something up to 50%. Beyond that may be a bit suspicious.
move 6 was your 1st out of book move. and I looking at moves from move 16 I was thinking you was using something. and there are lots of moves from about 16 that fritz suggest or when you click hint. it plays your moves.. very suspect if you ask me.
Like i said this game was far to importent to your ego and if needed like after move 6 you would use additio ...[text shortened]... ame prooves im no cheat. i'd rather be a loser than a cheat. at least I can say I lost my way.