Here's another take that I haven't seen anyone bring up. I play vs. a program every once in a while for practice. I usually play from only 3 or 4 openings. I've noticed that computers always play the exact same moves (the best ones I presume) against a given opening. When I play on RHP and I see a player make the exact same 10 moves....hmmmmm. Yes, there is the "best move possible" factor, but quite frankly David Tebb smacked me around like I had never played before and made a variation on move 3 (against the English).
So, chalk that up to another sign that someone might be using a computer....
Originally posted by PhlabibitI will give pieces away for a strategic advantage, especially pawns, isn't that the point?
Only if the lines for the gambit are in the computers book of moves.
If a computer offers a pawn for free, it is not a free pawn at all... the computer knows how to get it back with extra or wouldn't do it.
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I think this is looking at the computer issue a little simplistically. Computers have human operators. There's plenty of scope for human chess players who like to use a computer to check their ideas (gambits, positional, whatever) for mistakes using a computer. These players may still play 'human' moves because those are exactly what they are. They are just less likely to play 'human' moves with tactical mistakes in them.
If you suspect someone uses an engine you can try this little test: challenge him/her to an unrated game and use one of the better chess engines(fritz,CM,shredder,etc.....) yourself.Make sure to divert from bookplay early on,say at move 5-6,and make sure the computer plays at full strength.If your opponent still beats you it's an indication he/she uses an engine.You'd probably get a rather weird game too,which is another indication.
IMPORTANT NOTE:on this site it would only work against people rated 1800ish or below,players rated higher are very capable of beating computers,I think.Also,please remember it's only an indication of chess engine usage,it still doesn't prove it.I don't think you can ever be 100% sure.
I don't see the problem with people using engines on this site though.All it does is make you lose against a player that isn't as good as you and thus lower your,meaningless,online rating.And it makes you think that someone you don't even know is a better player than you are.I agree that it is silly to have an engine play your games,unless you developed it and want to test it,and it would be different if we were playing in official tournaments with prizes,but here I don't have any problem with it.
Sir Lot.
Originally posted by SirLoseALotHey Sir... want to play an Unrated game?!
If you suspect someone uses an engine you can try this little test: challenge him/her to an unrated game and use one of the better chess engines(fritz,CM,shredder,etc.....) yourself.Make sure to divert from bookplay early on,say at move 5-6,and make sure the computer plays at full strength.If your opponent still beats you it's an indication he/she uses ...[text shortened]... ng in official tournaments with prizes,but here I don't have any problem with it.
Sir Lot.
Lol, just busting.
Feivel is beating the heck out of my CM9K. He said, "I don't care if you let it think all day... I will beat it".
Game 434179
The score is -1.09 says CM
Here is the last note I got from Feivel.... Move 31
CM is very optimistic. I would say the game is over and black has shown humans are to much for computers to handle 🙂
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Feivel's pretty good...
This topic of how to beat chess computers is very interesting. There's a good article here with some example games:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/adam.bozon/computers.htm
This page also has example games, plus diagrams:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/chess2/honor.htm
The "common bishop sacrifice that opens up the h file" works on a lot of humans, too.
When you play a player that is playing about 1500 rating strength that is playing 2500 rating strength game all of a sudden. You can know a program is being used or there are more than one players using the same account. It is not likely that a 2500 rated strength player would play a player rated much lower than 2300. It is possible that a 1500 rated player can be hot and play at 1700 pluss rated strenght.
I was accused of using a chess program on Yahoo once. I most definetly wasn't, but i was playing someone rated higher than me, so i was playing harder. Well, he neglected the center completely and i found tactical ways to stick it in him. I spent time on all the move, which may have aroused his suspicions, but that was only because I wanted to play the best moves that I was capable of making. Anyways, he seemed pretty convinced that I was using a computer. The fact that i wasn't using one made his accusation the supreme chess compliment!
Originally posted by saintnickThe only problem with this is that it is permissible to consult chess books and databases during play. I have a large encyclopaedia of chess openings, and I use that during almost every opening I play - thus the moves are consistent, and hopefully the best. As such, I don't think this is any way to confirm the use of a chess computer.
Here's another take that I haven't seen anyone bring up. I play vs. a program every once in a while for practice. I usually play from only 3 or 4 openings. I've noticed that computers always play the exact same moves (the best ones I presume) against a given opening. When I play on RHP and I see a player make the exact same 10 moves....hmmmmm. Yes, the ...[text shortened]... st the English).
So, chalk that up to another sign that someone might be using a computer....
Wow, whoever put that site together had even more time on their hands than we do...
But I think people get a little too carried away with this. SirLoseALot has a point - if you lose a game of chess to someone using a computer, big deal.
My guess is that cheaters on the site will have pretty high ratings, since most programs are rated 2000 and higher. So most of us won't run into them except when they're climbing up through the ranks.
Originally posted by lloydkTrue, I loose to computers all the time and seem to deal with it okay. There have been a couple of times I've suspected an opponent was cheating though, and each time they've messaged me during the games with comments that I would characterise in one way or other as gloating. Computers don't do that.
Wow, whoever put that site together had even more time on their hands than we do...
But I think people get a little too carried away with this. SirLoseALot has a point - if you lose a game of chess to someone using a computer, big deal.
My guess is that cheaters on the site will have pretty high ratings, since most programs are rated 2000 and higher. So most of us won't run into them except when they're climbing up through the ranks.
Further, I believe computer cheating is a major reason that internet ratings don't and never will get anywhere near the respect that OTB ratings get.
I'm not on a crusade, but I don't think we can be too dismissive either.
Programs are not the only way to cheat. I am playing a game with a player on another server that went to 2000 pulss points ahead of me durring a game we are playing. I checked to see the rating point change when the game ends and saw that if I win I get 1 he wins and gets 31 a draw he gets 15. This player had the server hacked? By the way there is cheating going on at the highest level . When Alekhine died what did the Russians do? What did the Russians do to stop Fischer in the early 60s? What did the Russians do to Korchnoi in the 80s? Why is it Keres never was a threat to win the title? I have seen lots of ways there is cheating done in servers like Yahoo. From harassment to boot programs.