03 Jul 09
Originally posted by Fat LadyHm,the technique.Remember this is not part of my chess knowledge,my technique would be to lose such a position LOL
Could you be more specific about what you think White's drawing technique is? Black's winning technique is to keep his rook on the c-file and wobble his king and pawn up the board.
[pgn]
[FEN "8/7R/k7/1p6/2r5/4K3/8/8 w - - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
1. Rh1 b4 2. Ra1+ Kb5 3. Rb1 Ka4 4. Kd3 Rc7
5. Ra1+ Kb3 6. Rb1+ Ka3 7. Ra1+ Kb2 8. Rh1
[/pgn]
(edit: not 6. ... Ka2? as I originally posted!)
But I'll try show by example.
1.Rh1,b4 2.Kd3,Rc3+ (anywhere else and Rh5 cuts off your king) 3.Kd2,Kb5(or Ka5,to prevent getting your king cut off) 4.Rc1,Rg3 (if rook stays on c-file it gets traded) 5.Kc2,b3+ (seems an obvious draw,right?Just two more moves to show a neat trick that might come up) 6.Kb2,Kb4 7.Rg1! neat 🙂
03 Jul 09
OK, seems I was wrong. I found an online endgame database (*) which shows how White can draw this:
The point is that White can drive away Black's rook from the c-file, after which he can blockade the pawn with his king and draw ala Philidor.
(*) http://www.lokasoft.nl/uk/tbweb.htm
03 Jul 09
Originally posted by RamnedYeah,I know I would've lost it.I would've tried with sidechecks which isn't the way to go.
The problem is of course managing to draw that position as white in an OTB game without any resources. I would have been impressed if he managed how to do that.
04 Jul 09
Originally posted by RamnedIndeed, although attacking the pawn from in front of it is a well known drawing technique, the backward rook move still seems difficult to find.
The problem is of course managing to draw that position as white in an OTB game without any resources. I would have been impressed if he managed how to do that.
Even the great Tal once failed to do so in a similar position:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1139866
(See the comment from 'acirce' there.)
05 Jul 09
Originally posted by Uriesthat should do it but Rh8+, Rh3, Rhg8 looks to be even better in m mind. The third is a great lucena/philidor study and I admit I did not find the drawing resource. Very nice Romanticus. First also looks to be a clear win for black.
In the second position doesn't black just play Rh8+ swap rooks and then march the pawn and win based on the strength of white's king being cut off?
05 Jul 09
Originally posted by zebanoThanks,but I do not deserve the credit.
Very nice Romanticus.
I didn't find it either.My idea was to draw with sidechecks which didn't work.Then I looked it up and posted the correct way.
You could of course say it was nice detective work 😀